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E85 and 93 octain fuel mix for comp above 10:1 #1410164 03/28/13 06:44 AM 03/28/13 06:44 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 926 MICHIGAN B BB65Barracuda OP super stock
BB65Barracuda OP super stock B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 926 MICHIGAN	The Hemi is around 11:1 and was Dinoed with 108 and 93 mix. I was looking at converting to E85 eventually but was wondering if a mix would work. Instead of using race fuel @8 bucks a gallon, what about 105 octain E85 and 93 with the existing carbs? Im sure the jet sizes would have to go up if I was going to the track but what about street duty? 1957 Power wagon wm300 original 10.000 mile truck, 1964 dodge Polara Convertible numbers matching

Re: E85 and 93 octain fuel mix for comp above 10:1 [Re: BB65Barracuda] #1410165 03/28/13 08:22 AM 03/28/13 08:22 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,155 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw... gregsdart I Live Here
gregsdart I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,155 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw...	Which Hemi, and aluminum or steel heads? If it is a 426 Gen II hemi, the octane will need to be higher than a new style Gen III . This program will require testing and buying fuel in bulk, to keep the mixture consistent. The change in octane is linear meaning at 50/50 you get the average of the two 25/75 you get a 25 percent boost in octane. How much cranking compression you have will also play a big part in all this. Better give some specs to us, to help determine what will work. It might be much simpler to buy 93 octane and mix it with race fuel. It might not take a very strong mixture to get you where you need to be. If your cam is fairly tame, a cam change may be a good option as well. More top end power, less octane needed. Last edited by gregsdart; 03/28/13 08:25 AM. 8.582, 160.18 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky

Re: E85 and 93 octain fuel mix for comp above 10:1 [Re: gregsdart] #1410166 03/28/13 08:28 AM 03/28/13 08:28 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 26,429 United Socialist States of Ame... T tboomer Too Many Posts
tboomer Too Many Posts T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 26,429 United Socialist States of Ame...	There are a few guys here that are well versed on e-85. AJ Casini does carbs and I know 440Jim is pretty knowledgeable on the subject.

Re: E85 and 93 octain fuel mix for comp above 10:1 [Re: tboomer] #1410167 03/28/13 08:31 AM 03/28/13 08:31 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,142 Central New York slippery440 Crybaby440
slippery440 Crybaby440 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,142 Central New York	My advice is just go straight to E85. Buy the carbuator from who ever.Way to may problems when anyone starts to mix fuels. I love E85. If the MODS did their job I would not be hitting the notify MOD button. LOL

Re: E85 and 93 octain fuel mix for comp above 10:1 [Re: slippery440] #1410168 03/28/13 08:35 AM 03/28/13 08:35 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 26,429 United Socialist States of Ame... T tboomer Too Many Posts
tboomer Too Many Posts T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 26,429 United Socialist States of Ame...	Not to hijack but...Vic,do you buy 55 gallons at a time and test it? Thanks!

Re: E85 and 93 octain fuel mix for comp above 10:1 [Re: gregsdart] #1410169 03/28/13 10:16 AM 03/28/13 10:16 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 926 MICHIGAN B BB65Barracuda OP super stock
BB65Barracuda OP super stock B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 926 MICHIGAN	Quote: Which Hemi, and aluminum or steel heads? If it is a 426 Gen II hemi, the octane will need to be higher than a new style Gen III . This program will require testing and buying fuel in bulk, to keep the mixture consistent. The change in octane is linear meaning at 50/50 you get the average of the two 25/75 you get a 25 percent boost in octane. How much cranking compression you have will also play a big part in all this. Better give some specs to us, to help determine what will work. It might be much simpler to buy 93 octane and mix it with race fuel. It might not take a very strong mixture to get you where you need to be. If your cam is fairly tame, a cam change may be a good option as well. More top end power, less octane needed. The motor is a mostly stock 1965 426 Hemi Manley h Beam rods and Bil lit eagle crank with forged aluminum Pistons. The stock cast iron heads have a mild bowl port, not much to speak of with the stock size SS valves and a Crane 510 Zip solid . Intake is the stock aluminum dual inline quad set up with 2 - AFB's 1957 Power wagon wm300 original 10.000 mile truck, 1964 dodge Polara Convertible numbers matching

Re: E85 and 93 octain fuel mix for comp above 10:1 [Re: BB65Barracuda] #1410170 03/28/13 10:21 AM 03/28/13 10:21 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,528 Mansfield, Tx Jacob Pitt master
Jacob Pitt master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,528 Mansfield, Tx	Why exactly do you want to mix the fuels? I am running e85 on 14.5to1 compression in the Texas heat and have zero issues. 2013 NHRA D4 Stock Champ #4 in the World IHRA Stock 2x IHRA Div.4 Stock Champ 14x Track Champ All using a Ultimate Converter Concepts converter. Call Lenny today 704-892-6837

Re: E85 and 93 octain fuel mix for comp above 10:1 [Re: Jacob Pitt] #1410171 03/28/13 10:25 AM 03/28/13 10:25 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 926 MICHIGAN B BB65Barracuda OP super stock
BB65Barracuda OP super stock B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 926 MICHIGAN	I have STOCK AFB's and the question Im asking is can I use E85 instead of the 108 to mix and bring up my octain level without screwing up my motor? 1957 Power wagon wm300 original 10.000 mile truck, 1964 dodge Polara Convertible numbers matching

Re: E85 and 93 octain fuel mix for comp above 10:1 [Re: BB65Barracuda] #1410172 03/28/13 10:30 AM 03/28/13 10:30 AM
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MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: I have STOCK AFB's and the question Im asking is can I use E85 instead of the 108 to mix and bring up my octain level without screwing up my motor? I dont know of anyone using AFBs with e-85 but if you mix its gonna be lean if you dont adjust for the e-85.. in a normal e-85 application you would run 30% more fuel to be equal to gas

Re: E85 and 93 octain fuel mix for comp above 10:1 [Re: BB65Barracuda] #1410173 03/28/13 10:32 AM 03/28/13 10:32 AM
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Jacob Pitt master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,528 Mansfield, Tx	Quote: I have STOCK AFB's and the question Im asking is can I use E85 instead of the 108 to mix and bring up my octain level without screwing up my motor? Oh ok, I get the question now. 2013 NHRA D4 Stock Champ #4 in the World IHRA Stock 2x IHRA Div.4 Stock Champ 14x Track Champ All using a Ultimate Converter Concepts converter. Call Lenny today 704-892-6837

Re: E85 and 93 octain fuel mix for comp above 10:1 [Re: Jacob Pitt] #1410174 03/28/13 11:14 AM 03/28/13 11:14 AM
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BB65Barracuda OP super stock B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 926 MICHIGAN	Thant makes sense to me, Is their a rule of thumb for increasing the jet sizes? 1957 Power wagon wm300 original 10.000 mile truck, 1964 dodge Polara Convertible numbers matching

Re: E85 and 93 octain fuel mix for comp above 10:1 [Re: BB65Barracuda] #1410175 03/28/13 12:19 PM 03/28/13 12:19 PM
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BB65Barracuda OP super stock B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 926 MICHIGAN	It look as though I have to get edelbrokes or Holley to do the conversion. 1957 Power wagon wm300 original 10.000 mile truck, 1964 dodge Polara Convertible numbers matching

Re: E85 and 93 octain fuel mix for comp above 10:1 [Re: BB65Barracuda] #1410176 03/28/13 01:04 PM 03/28/13 01:04 PM
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Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,913 Bend,OR USA	Quote: It look as though I have to get edelbrokes or Holley to do the conversion. I think any carb. can be converted to E85 by a good carb. guy, the real concern is if you ever want to go back to pump gas and have the original carbs. converted back to gas. I would buy a set of E85 carbs for E85 and save the other ones for later, especially if thier the correct part numbers for that year motor BTW, I don't think any late or current made Holleys will fit on a stock Street Hemi 2x4 intake Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: E85 and 93 octain fuel mix for comp above 10:1 [Re: Cab_Burge] #1410177 03/28/13 01:08 PM 03/28/13 01:08 PM
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BB65Barracuda OP super stock B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 926 MICHIGAN	I think your right as far as the Hemi car goes. I didn't think this thru in that it's a 1 way deal. Perhaps I will look into a set of carbs and keep my original just in case. But I will convert my single carb 440 dart to E85. I have several holleys on the shelf. 1957 Power wagon wm300 original 10.000 mile truck, 1964 dodge Polara Convertible numbers matching

Re: E85 and 93 octain fuel mix for comp above 10:1 [Re: tboomer] #1410178 03/28/13 02:03 PM 03/28/13 02:03 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,142 Central New York slippery440 Crybaby440
slippery440 Crybaby440 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,142 Central New York	Quote: Not to hijack but...Vic,do you buy 55 gallons at a time and test it? Thanks! The first 2 years I mixed my own.I bought 2 55 gallon barrels of E98 and found a gas station that sold non alcohol gas. Making the right mixture was easy. I just marked a gallon jug and added the E85 to the gas and 95% of time it was dead on E85 or E86. Now there are gas stations close and yes I buy it from a gas station. The steel drums from the E98 are used. I take a test right at the pumps before I fill. The best part I still have E98 stored in a small contaner so if the blend is weak I can jack it up. I can tell you it does not take much to change the blend. If the MODS did their job I would not be hitting the notify MOD button. LOL

Re: E85 and 93 octain fuel mix for comp above 10:1 [Re: BB65Barracuda] #1410179 03/28/13 10:18 PM 03/28/13 10:18 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,131 New Lenox IL cudadon top fuel
cudadon top fuel Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,131 New Lenox IL	Quote: I have STOCK AFB's and the question Im asking is can I use E85 instead of the 108 to mix and bring up my octain level without screwing up my motor? Also ethanol DOESNT mix well with leaded fuels. And it will clean all the old dirt and varnish in a used tank/fuel lines, it will end up inthe carbs. Don 7645120-Bee&Cuda.JPG (35 downloads) http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p314/cudadon/BKD6_09_10_191A.jpg

Re: E85 and 93 octain fuel mix for comp above 10:1 [Re: BB65Barracuda] #1410180 03/28/13 11:16 PM 03/28/13 11:16 PM
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MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Thant makes sense to me, Is their a rule of thumb for increasing the jet sizes? You need to increase your fuel 30% across the whole thing when you go to E-85(idle, mid and wot)

Re: E85 and 93 octain fuel mix for comp above 10:1 [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1410181 03/29/13 08:39 AM 03/29/13 08:39 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,155 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw... gregsdart I Live Here
gregsdart I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,155 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw...	If the motor only needs a moderate octane increase, it may be possible to come up with a mix that the carbs can handle as is. If the fuel is blended to make something like E40, it should have about 96 octane, and only require a jet change of a few steps to correct the fuel mixture. With dual carbs which are not maxed out for air and fuel flow at WOT, it might be very possible. One trip to a chassis dyno with a couple of carb tuning kits and a fresh load of mixed fuel ought to tell the tale. I am considering this for my 5.7 stroker street motor. Last edited by gregsdart; 03/29/13 08:41 AM. 8.582, 160.18 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky

Re: E85 and 93 octain fuel mix for comp above 10:1 [Re: gregsdart] #1410182 03/29/13 11:13 AM 03/29/13 11:13 AM
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BBR master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,131 Amarillo, Texas	E30 is available here at the blender pump stations. I've been thinking about trying it since the super unleaded here is 90. Drag Week 2011 - 77th place - DD Drag Week 2012 - 2nd place SRBB N/A Drag Week 2014 - Kapooya RMRW 2018 RMRW 2020

Re: E85 and 93 octain fuel mix for comp above 10:1 [Re: BB65Barracuda] #1410183 03/29/13 11:54 AM 03/29/13 11:54 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,326 A gulag near you. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,326 A gulag near you.	Hemis are not as prone to detonation as a Wedge is , have you tried running it with just 93 and maybe bump the timing back a few degrees when running it on the street ?

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