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450 horsepower 318?? #1402082
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Thinking about swapping my bigblock for a SB in my Dart, and I was wondering, how hard would it be to make between 450 and 500 horsepower with a stock stroke 318? What heads, intake and cam would be best..


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Is boost an option?


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It'd be hard without a power adder, and the engine would be a bear to drive on the street. Look at Steve Dulcich's two different 400hp 318 articles, one with max ported 302 heads, the other with 360 heads, to see that to get to that level he used a camshaft quite big for a 318 on the street. Adding another 50hp to that would take some doing, IMHO. It'd be like falling out of bed with a 4" crank, the right heads and pistons, though.

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Not interested in a power adder since I bracket race, but It's not a street car. I don't think I was clear, I was thinking of something with aftermarket heads, intake &pistons

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Re: 450 horsepower 318?? [Re: 70Dart499] #1402086
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Nitrous and/or a 4" crank.

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First question would be why?

Secondly yes it can be done. My stroked 318 made 525+ There are more economical ways to make the power.


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First question would be why?

Secondly yes it can be done. My stroked 318 made 525+ There are more economical ways to make the power.




Why, i bought my car with the BB in it and I'm not much of a big block guy, and my car is a original smallblock car so I would like to put one back in it. Not dead set on a 318, though just exploring options.


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a good set of ported W2 heads and dont be afraid to turn the rpm it takes. M1 W2 single plane intake and enough compression to suport a 250-255 somethingdegree at .050 lift cam

might even make more than 450hp

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I wouldn't limit myself to just a 318 if the only requirement is a smallblock..... but at least you didn't say you wanted to do it with a 273!

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I wouldn't limit myself to just a 318 if the only requirement is a smallblock..... but at least you didn't say you wanted to do it with a 273!




I honestly think a 340 would be cool since that's what's the car came with, but I don't think I'll be able to find a 340 block that's not really expensive


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you can get 450 out of a a 318 but it takes a lot of RPM to get there, ..so the peaky "327 chevy" style powerband won't 'feel' much like 450 unless you're beating the snot out of it.

I built a 341" 3.55" crank 318 a few years back and it was a screamer with actually pretty decent torque, pretty easy to do a low buck 360 crank and with a 6" rod a 9:1 flat top 318" KB piston will wind up right at (or just slightly over) zero deck.


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I would become more of a "big block guy"

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Maybe think a heavily stroked 360 with the best heads you can afford, the biggest cam you can tolerate and light weight internal parts? You start out 100hp in the hole switching from big block to small block. Sounds expensive... but definiteiy can be done.


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I wouldn't limit myself to just a 318 if the only requirement is a smallblock..... but at least you didn't say you wanted to do it with a 273!




I honestly think a 340 would be cool since that's what's the car came with, but I don't think I'll be able to find a 340 block that's not really expensive


Depends on your budget. And if you live anywhere near me. I'll be selling my 340 soon. 406hp dynoed, 9.8comp runs on pump with a small cam, with W2 heads. Bump the comp bigger cam it'll easily run those numbers. Putting in my 380 this spring so it'll go or just end up sitting. PM if interested.

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I wouldn't limit myself to just a 318 if the only requirement is a smallblock..... but at least you didn't say you wanted to do it with a 273!




I honestly think a 340 would be cool since that's what's the car came with, but I don't think I'll be able to find a 340 block that's not really expensive


where do you live? i know where you can find one

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Thinking about swapping my bigblock for a SB in my Dart, and I was wondering, how hard would it be to make between 450 and 500 horsepower with a stock stroke 318? What heads, intake and cam would be best..




292ci/273, Indy 360X heads ported by LaRoy, Edelbrock Super Victor 2815, big solid roller, 93 octane, 462 HP

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Not interested in a power adder since I bracket race, but It's not a street car. I don't think I was clear, I was thinking of something with aftermarket heads, intake &pistons




Just my but if your planning a serious bracket racing effort.....a big block, glide and as much tire as you can get under the car would be the best approach and way easier to maintain....just my opinion

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My , there's no replacement for displacement, I'd stay with the BB. It's alot cheaper and easier on parts to run a big mild motor than a hyper rpm small block.Dave

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My car was originally a 318. I was going to try that 400 hp buildup that was in the magazine. The machine shops around here didn't feel comfortable in putting the big valves in 302 heads. I got frustrated and swapped a 413 big block in after a crappy day of bracket racing. It knocked 3 seconds off my et.

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Thinking about swapping my bigblock for a SB in my Dart, and I was wondering, how hard would it be to make between 450 and 500 horsepower with a stock stroke 318? What heads, intake and cam would be best..




292ci/273, Indy 360X heads ported by LaRoy, Edelbrock Super Victor 2815, big solid roller, 93 octane, 462 HP




Hah! Why...???

I mean, thats damn cool, i love screamers, but with all the stroker hype out there, why would someone build a 462HP 273...???

Personally, i'd love to see this thread grow into some good examples. I'm also thinking about a stock stroke 318 for my next engine, and it'd need over 400HP too. I was fantasizing about Magnums though...

That 360 Magnum magazine build-up linked in my 360/383 thread made 455HP with Edelbrock Magnum heads and the usual stuff. That'd be about 400HP with a 318 Magnum... and there was nothing tricky about that engine and no porting in the heads yet. I think 450HP would be pretty easy with the same combo plus bigger (but not stupid) cam, and some simple head porting? Hmmm...

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