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Re: 67 440 GTX Air Cleaner [Re: MoparABE] #1396179 03/06/13 05:42 PM 03/06/13 05:42 PM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,150 Bristol, CT R RalphsRapidTrnst top fuel
RalphsRapidTrnst top fuel R Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,150 Bristol, CT	Coolest thing about a 67 4spd GTX & R/T with a 440 mill was Chrysler gave you everything that came with the Hemi but the Hemi. Unsilenced Air Cleaner, Dana, Dual point dist, Clutch fan. ETC. Very cool for the first model year. A Collection Of All Things Chrysler www.RalphsRapidTransit.com Stock Appearing MuscleCar Racing www.SuperCarRaces.com

Re: 67 440 GTX Air Cleaner [Re: mccannix] #1396180 03/25/13 09:22 PM 03/25/13 09:22 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,288 Danville, NH M Mopar_Mike master
Mopar_Mike master M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,288 Danville, NH	Quote: Quote: What is the difference in a 67 GTX / R/T air cleaner and one used on a 67 C body 440 ??. The one I have the lid measures about 3 1/2 inches. I have had if about 30 years and was kinda thinking it came off of a C body wagon that I pulled a 440 from. Dan Easy way to distinguise for reference, is that you'll find that on a C-body you cannot use the pie pan...center dome area is too tall. Actually incorrect again... The only C-body dual snorkel air cleaner came on the TNT package, which had a pie tin. The diameter is the same. As stated above the only difference between the B and C body is the height. C body is higher. Also, no unsilenced air cleaners on 67 440 GTX's or R/Ts.. Ever.. lol.. Last edited by Mopar_Mike; 03/25/13 09:25 PM. RS23L7 4-Speed

Re: 67 440 GTX Air Cleaner [Re: Mopar_Mike] #1396181 03/26/13 01:16 PM 03/26/13 01:16 PM
Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 511 AZ. 6 696pack mopar
696pack mopar 6 Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 511 AZ.	Quote: Quote: Quote: What is the difference in a 67 GTX / R/T air cleaner and one used on a 67 C body 440 ??. The one I have the lid measures about 3 1/2 inches. I have had if about 30 years and was kinda thinking it came off of a C body wagon that I pulled a 440 from. Dan Easy way to distinguise for reference, is that you'll find that on a C-body you cannot use the pie pan...center dome area is too tall. Actually incorrect again... The only C-body dual snorkel air cleaner came on the TNT package, which had a pie tin. The diameter is the same. As stated above the only difference between the B and C body is the height. C body is higher. Also, no unsilenced air cleaners on 67 440 GTX's or R/Ts.. Ever.. lol.. I had a similar discussion regarding air cleaners over at FBBO regarding the original one that came off my 66 Charger and you may want to take a look at the thread there. According to some original owners they were using the unsilenced air cleaner on big blocks earlier than 1967 models. See link below and you have to read into the thread for a ways as it started as a for sale ad. http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/showthread.php?40277-1966-up-Mopar-383-4-air-cleaner

Re: 67 440 GTX Air Cleaner [Re: 696pack] #1396182 03/26/13 01:29 PM 03/26/13 01:29 PM
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floridian pro stock F Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,574 Lakeland FL	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: What is the difference in a 67 GTX / R/T air cleaner and one used on a 67 C body 440 ??. The one I have the lid measures about 3 1/2 inches. I have had if about 30 years and was kinda thinking it came off of a C body wagon that I pulled a 440 from. Dan Easy way to distinguise for reference, is that you'll find that on a C-body you cannot use the pie pan...center dome area is too tall. Actually incorrect again... The only C-body dual snorkel air cleaner came on the TNT package, which had a pie tin. The diameter is the same. As stated above the only difference between the B and C body is the height. C body is higher. Also, no unsilenced air cleaners on 67 440 GTX's or R/Ts.. Ever.. lol.. I had a similar discussion regarding air cleaners over at FBBO regarding the original one that came off my 66 Charger and you may want to take a look at the thread there. According to some original owners they were using the unsilenced air cleaner on big blocks earlier than 1967 models. See link below and you have to read into the thread for a ways as it started as a for sale ad. http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/showthread.php?40277-1966-up-Mopar-383-4-air-cleaner The orignal question was for R/T's and GTX's... NOT big blocks or chargers.....

Re: 67 440 GTX Air Cleaner [Re: floridian] #1396183 03/26/13 09:35 PM 03/26/13 09:35 PM
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1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	Thought this might fit in well here..... 7642161-10_9_134.gif (99 downloads) "The Armies of our ancestors were lucky, in that they were not trailed by a second army of pencil pushers."

Re: 67 440 GTX Air Cleaner [Re: floridian] #1396184 04/01/13 03:11 AM 04/01/13 03:11 AM
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696pack mopar 6 Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 511 AZ.	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: What is the difference in a 67 GTX / R/T air cleaner and one used on a 67 C body 440 ??. The one I have the lid measures about 3 1/2 inches. I have had if about 30 years and was kinda thinking it came off of a C body wagon that I pulled a 440 from. Dan Easy way to distinguise for reference, is that you'll find that on a C-body you cannot use the pie pan...center dome area is too tall. Actually incorrect again... The only C-body dual snorkel air cleaner came on the TNT package, which had a pie tin. The diameter is the same. As stated above the only difference between the B and C body is the height. C body is higher. Also, no unsilenced air cleaners on 67 440 GTX's or R/Ts.. Ever.. lol.. I had a similar discussion regarding air cleaners over at FBBO regarding the original one that came off my 66 Charger and you may want to take a look at the thread there. According to some original owners they were using the unsilenced air cleaner on big blocks earlier than 1967 models. See link below and you have to read into the thread for a ways as it started as a for sale ad. http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/showthread.php?40277-1966-up-Mopar-383-4-air-cleaner The orignal question was for R/T's and GTX's... NOT big blocks or chargers ..... Yeah, well, understand this. The point is that things happened back in the day and they did not stop the production line because they were out of the air cleaner that was USUALLY installed so it would get what would fit. They could care less if it is making you scratch your head 40+ years later. This is why there are always arguements from original owners about what was right and what is wrong because they never changed anything on their cars, but people think it is wrong because it does not match the norm. If it came from the factory that way then it is "as delivered." That doesn't necessarily mean that is the way the factory "intended" to send it out. AND, if they were using the small un-silenced air cleaner in 66 what makes you think they didn't pop a few of them on the 67 GTX/R/Ts? My comments ARE relative to this subject. Last edited by 696pack; 04/01/13 03:15 AM.

Re: 67 440 GTX Air Cleaner [Re: 696pack] #1396185 04/01/13 01:41 PM 04/01/13 01:41 PM
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70mopes pro stock Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,228 Maple Valley, WA	I have one of each. The shorter of the two uses a 5 inch carb hole on its base. I have owned one other short type dual snorkel and it too had the 5 inch carb hole in its base. In 67 some c bodies ran holly carbs which had the larger dia. The taller of the two 67 dual snorkels i have uses the smaller 4 1/8 carb hole in its base for AFB which is what the R/T's ran

Re: 67 440 GTX Air Cleaner [Re: 70mopes] #1396186 04/01/13 02:07 PM 04/01/13 02:07 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,592 Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy Rhinodart Rhinotruck
Rhinodart Rhinotruck Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,592 Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy	I have owned 4-67 Dart GTS 383 cars with the 17" unsilenced air cleaner and currently have one with the AFB base AND the AVS base. The AVS base came off of a 68 Charger with a 440. I have helped restore one 67 440 GTX 4-speed and the original owner still had the air cleaner, which was the 17" unsilensed. I have also helped restore a couple 67 440 GTX's with automatics and they had the dual snorkel air cleaners, so my guess is that Daryl is right... The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it. JB Rhinehart, Realist A-Body's RULE!

Re: 67 440 GTX Air Cleaner [Re: Rhinodart] #1396187 04/01/13 02:57 PM 04/01/13 02:57 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	67 GTX's had 2 style Air Cleaners, both were dual snorkel and niether was unsilenced. They were not transmission specific. One was spec'd for CAP (California emissions) and one was not. The only difference being that the CAP version had a small nipple protruding from the drivers side to allow a hose connection to the breather, the 49 state version did not have it. BTW, not all CAP versions were sold on California cars, some other states required CAP as well. If a 67 GTX has an unsilenced base plate (the smaller diameter unit that leaves a gap between the lid outer diameter and the base plate outer diameter) it was either swapped after the plant built it or it was a (very unlikely) production line mistake.

Re: 67 440 GTX Air Cleaner [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1396188 04/01/13 07:20 PM 04/01/13 07:20 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,592 Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy Rhinodart Rhinotruck
Rhinodart Rhinotruck Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,592 Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy	C'mon Scott, what you are saying is that Chrysler used 100% the right parts no matter what, you know better... The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it. JB Rhinehart, Realist A-Body's RULE!

Re: 67 440 GTX Air Cleaner [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1396189 04/01/13 07:57 PM 04/01/13 07:57 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Quote: C'mon Scott, what you are saying is that Chrysler used 100% the right parts no matter what, you know better... Quote: If a 67 GTX has an unsilenced base plate (the smaller diameter unit that leaves a gap between the lid outer diameter and the base plate outer diameter) it was either swapped after the plant built it or it was a (very unlikely) production line mistake. Missed the my last part of my comment did ya?

Re: 67 440 GTX Air Cleaner [Re: Rhinodart] #1396190 04/02/13 08:57 PM 04/02/13 08:57 PM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,150 Bristol, CT R RalphsRapidTrnst top fuel
RalphsRapidTrnst top fuel R Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,150 Bristol, CT	The great thing about owning the car and not the t-shirt is you get to do what ever you want with it. If you believe a 440 4spd did not come with an unsilenced air cleaner in 1967 on the GTX then you have the choice to do as you wish. A Collection Of All Things Chrysler www.RalphsRapidTransit.com Stock Appearing MuscleCar Racing www.SuperCarRaces.com

Re: 67 440 GTX Air Cleaner [Re: RalphsRapidTrnst] #1396191 04/02/13 10:12 PM 04/02/13 10:12 PM
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69CoronetRT master Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,948 Harlan, Iowa	I know there are mistakes in the parts books. Is this one of them? 7652394-67_Air_Cleaner_Covers_edited_800.jpg (142 downloads) Seeking: 1969 St. Louis plant VINs, SPD, and VONs. Over 2,000 thanks to you!

Re: 67 440 GTX Air Cleaner [Re: 69CoronetRT] #1396192 04/02/13 10:24 PM 04/02/13 10:24 PM
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69CoronetRT master Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,948 Harlan, Iowa	I also know there are mistakes in the data books. Is this one of them? 7652415-67_Plymouth_commando_AC_800.jpg (110 downloads) Seeking: 1969 St. Louis plant VINs, SPD, and VONs. Over 2,000 thanks to you!

Re: 67 440 GTX Air Cleaner [Re: 69CoronetRT] #1396193 04/03/13 12:01 AM 04/03/13 12:01 AM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,150 Bristol, CT R RalphsRapidTrnst top fuel
RalphsRapidTrnst top fuel R Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,150 Bristol, CT	There is much more out there that validates 4Spd cars came unsilenced. I didn't believe it 23 years ago till I reserched the differences in the Auto and 4Spd. I am sure some came from the factory with a dual snorkel but that was not the way they were to be delivered. A Collection Of All Things Chrysler www.RalphsRapidTransit.com Stock Appearing MuscleCar Racing www.SuperCarRaces.com

Re: 67 440 GTX Air Cleaner [Re: RalphsRapidTrnst] #1396194 04/03/13 02:52 PM 04/03/13 02:52 PM
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Beebuzzn mopar B Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 454 PNW	I'll just add my and that is I had 2 1967 GTX's bought from original owners in 1975 & 1976 both 4spd. Both had dual snorkel air cleaners.

Re: 67 440 GTX Air Cleaner [Re: Beebuzzn] #1396195 04/03/13 03:14 PM 04/03/13 03:14 PM
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sixpackbee master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,060 Western New York	And another . I've owned/parted quite a few of these back in the day. All had dual snorkles and never have found one yet with a windage tray as the above publication announced for 4 speed cars. 67's are a breed apart. 1959 Bugeye Sprite 1967 Charger Black L code 1967 Coronet R/T Convert Green 440 auto bought from original owner 1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM 1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96 1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car 1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85 1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96 1970 Road Runner RM21N B3 V1X D13 1971 MG Midget 1971 Road Runner RM23H GW3, A57 1972 Road Runner RM23P FY1, D21

Re: 67 440 GTX Air Cleaner [Re: sixpackbee] #1396196 04/03/13 03:45 PM 04/03/13 03:45 PM
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GTX MATT master Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,163 CT	While I would normally agree with Scott, I'm going to go ahead and agree with Ralph on this one. The first time someone told me they had the "4 speed air cleaner" on their '67 GTX I thought they were mistaken. However after hearing from several others that 4 speed cars came with unsilenced air cleaners with no snorkels I began to wonder. My buddy Phil bought his '67 GTX brand new. PP1 red, black stripes, convertible, 4 speed, and it came with an un-silenced air cleaner. Could he be lying to me? Of course, but he has no reason to. I'll see if he has a picture of the engine when it was new lying around anywhere. Not an early car either, he ordered it around February or March of '67. Pretty rare car too with the 4 speed being a vert. Early on it was advertised that 4 speed cars were supposed to come with a special cam, same lift but 276/292 duration (sound familiar? If not read the early A12 adds) and was supposed to be rated at 390 horsepower. I didn't believe that either but Phil showed me the ad he had that was clearly advertising so. Last edited by GTX MATT; 04/03/13 03:48 PM. Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street

Re: 67 440 GTX Air Cleaner [Re: GTX MATT] #1396197 04/03/13 10:13 PM 04/03/13 10:13 PM
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RalphsRapidTrnst top fuel R Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,150 Bristol, CT	My GTX's original drive train is in my basement. From air cleaner to windage trayed oil pan. When I pulled the original bearings out of it they were date coded 1967 I still have a couple of them. Also the Unsilenced Air Cleaner was similar to my old Barracuda Formula S 383 4Spd but was different. They were not the same air cleaners. A Collection Of All Things Chrysler www.RalphsRapidTransit.com Stock Appearing MuscleCar Racing www.SuperCarRaces.com

Re: 67 440 GTX Air Cleaner [Re: RalphsRapidTrnst] #1396198 04/03/13 10:26 PM 04/03/13 10:26 PM
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RalphsRapidTrnst top fuel R Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,150 Bristol, CT	A Collection Of All Things Chrysler www.RalphsRapidTransit.com Stock Appearing MuscleCar Racing www.SuperCarRaces.com

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