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Re: '70 Challenger (Hood / Trunk Latch, Lever, Striker) [Re: filmsurgeon] #1392173
02/24/13 12:18 AM
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Re: '70 Challenger (Hood / Trunk Latch, Lever, Striker) [Re: JulesdaWiperman] #1392174
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I will say yes.
You will notice that there is no date code stamped on the left hand side bolt area.
See sample picture below.
Jules





Jules,VERY intresting,thanks for showing the samples..

Re: '70 Challenger (Hood / Trunk Latch, Lever, Striker) [Re: Mastershake340] #1392175
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I guess I should have said "closer to original appearance than 90+% of the Mopars you see at shows and cruises".
Again, if you are restoring a car to national show standards, than you have little choice but to either beat the bushes for NOS parts or feel fortunate that there are a few artisans like Jules who can restore them to perfection for you.
But for a car being built for local shows and cruises, and you don't have 6 figures to invest in your ride, you are fortunate that companies like Eastwood sell an inexpensive product that looks close enough to original that your components look better than the 65-75% of the other Mopars out there that have had these components either painted body color or spray bombed silver etc.
There are guys I see around here locally at cruises who belittle us Mopar guys (some of whom are Mopar guys even)constantly about how anal we get about things on our cars. Seriously, if they heard about this discussion about whether a product is "brown enough" to satisfy the 30-50 people in North America who have the expertise about what finish is perfect for a hood catch, I'd never hear the end of it and have to stay home and never take my cars out! Chicago area guys, please, I beg you, don't share this thread with the area cruise and show crowd, I don't want to spend this summer hiding in my garage from their laughter!



I am with you on this. If i had a 60K plus car I would get the best.
In my case I did a derusting in a tank. Glass beaded mine for both the Dart Sport {hey it is a lowly 1973 A body}
And the 70 Challenger Vert.
Had a friend do a tripple plate that came out looking close to silver cad.
As this pic will show I was lucky on having a Mint Jack for the 73 as things can add up fast!
Was also lucky getting mint jack from friend {Mark Nixon} for the 70 Challneger

And here is another part but put a very light / little polish before

He screwed me up though when one of may parts ended up getting polished as it ended up with someone else's parts.
It is well hidden so left it as is shiny spring

As far as 100% right Jules is the man


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Re: '70 Challenger (Hood / Trunk Latch, Lever, Striker) [Re: 340SIX] #1392176
02/25/13 06:03 PM
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How was the Hood latch support's top plate finished at the the factory? Looking through some files I have, it appears that it was body-color painted (see attached photo). What can be done to prevent the safety hook/lever from scratching the paint where it's received in the top plate (see attached photo)? Was there originally a nylon type grommet for the hole in the top plate? Would powder coating the top plate be more resilient to metal-to-metal contact scratches? Thanks.





Re: '70 Challenger (Hood / Trunk Latch, Lever, Striker) [Re: filmsurgeon] #1392177
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You should buy one of these e-body restoration manuals - very well worth it !!!!

http://www.mmcdetroit.com/Market_Place/

Re: '70 Challenger (Hood / Trunk Latch, Lever, Striker) [Re: filmsurgeon] #1392178
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What can be done to prevent the safety hook/lever from scratching the paint where it's received in the top plate (see attached photo)?
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After you've owned a few mopars you learn the ancient art of holding the safety hook in the unlatched position as you close the hood...This keeps the hook from scratching the paint...Simple but effective...

Re: '70 Challenger (Hood / Trunk Latch, Lever, Striker) [Re: screamindriver] #1392179
02/25/13 11:21 PM
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!! Well stated!

Re: '70 Challenger (Hood / Trunk Latch, Lever, Striker) [Re: screamindriver] #1392180
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After you've owned a few mopars you learn the ancient art of holding the safety hook in the unlatched position as you close the hood...This keeps the hook from scratching the paint...Simple but effective...




Thanks for the advice. I guess I'll just get it repainted, and do as you suggest.

Re: '70 Challenger (Hood / Trunk Latch, Lever, Striker) [Re: Mr D21] #1392181
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You should buy one of these e-body restoration manuals - very well worth it !!!!

http://www.mmcdetroit.com/Market_Place/




Thank you. It's been so long, I forgot about David and MMC Detroit Services. I'll definitely consider getting the manuals. BTW - It was David that did the appraisal on my Challenger back in mid 2006, shortly before I received it from the seller. Thought I'd share his (3) page appraisal just for kicks.






Re: '70 Challenger (Hood / Trunk Latch, Lever, Striker) [Re: filmsurgeon] #1392182
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Hello,

Jules was the expert on restoring the hood latches to assembly line standards. Now that he has passed on, is there someone out there that does them correctly? The biggest issue is getting hold of the rivets and the correct method to press them.

Re: '70 Challenger (Hood / Trunk Latch, Lever, Striker) [Re: 1972CudaV21] #1392183
01/30/14 03:49 AM
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I'm finally getting around to dealing with my hood/trunk latches, and the hood safety hook. Sadly, I won't be able to get them done by Jules. Has anyone had theirs powder-coated? If so, how did that turn out? I'd really rather NOT just spray paint them, as that would result in not very durable results, but it would be the cheapest alternative. I seriously feel that re-plating them assembled is out of the question. Thanks for the advice.

Re: '70 Challenger (Hood / Trunk Latch, Lever, Striker) [Re: filmsurgeon] #1392184
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I'm finally getting around to dealing with my hood/trunk latches, and the hood safety hook. Sadly, I won't be able to get them done by Jules. Has anyone had theirs powder-coated? If so, how did that turn out? I'd really rather NOT just spray paint them, as that would result in not very durable results, but it would be the cheapest alternative. I seriously feel that re-plating them assembled is out of the question. Thanks for the advice.




You can replate then assembled. Won't look at perfect as the ones jules did, but will look a lot better and last longer than painting.

There are plating places around So Cal that will do them. Just haven't got it done in years. But others have.


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Re: '70 Challenger (Hood / Trunk Latch, Lever, Striker) [Re: autoxcuda] #1392185
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Replate with brown dichromate or what is it called? I can't see myself breaking it down and doing each piece with the correct plating and putting it back together - seems out of the question right now.

Re: '70 Challenger (Hood / Trunk Latch, Lever, Striker) [Re: autoxcuda] #1392186
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You can replate then assembled. Won't look at perfect as the ones jules did, but will look a lot better and last longer than painting.

There are plating places around So Cal that will do them. Just haven't got it done in years. But others have.




I considered getting them plated assembled, but after seeing the photo that Jules posted earlier in this thread of one that was done that way, I pretty much decided against it. Also, I understand that the plating process is not good for springs. I could remove the hood latch springs, but not the trunk latch or safety hook springs w/o disassembly. Just the other day, I took a small box of parts over to Burbank Plating in Pacoima for plating. I brought the latches and safety hook with me to show to them. I was told that if I got them plated, I would need to bake them in my oven in order to re-harden the springs.

Re: '70 Challenger (Hood / Trunk Latch, Lever, Striker) [Re: filmsurgeon] #1392187
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Yep, Jules was a surgeon when it came to this type of restoration. He actually left us with some great information in this post. Although I'd like to do it the "correct" way, I just can't spend the time or money to make everything perfect on the car. I love 100% correct cars. But, they rob you of a lot of money, time and driving them is pretty much just on and off the trailer. I want to enjoy my car and have the freedom to go anywhere without worrying that rust is building on some plating...lol.

The OE perfect car is like chasing a bad dream and it can make you neurotic...

Re: '70 Challenger (Hood / Trunk Latch, Lever, Striker) [Re: 1972CudaV21] #1392188
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I need to do something before putting the latches and safety hook back on the car because they are bare metal right now. I really don't want to get them plated because of how it might negatively affect the springs that I cannot remove without disassembly. So, it's either powder-coating, or spray paint. I have a few other parts that I will be getting powder-coated, so I could get the latches and safety hook done at the same time. My local powder-coating shop has a minimum charge of $85.00. Spray painting would be my least desirable option, as the paint will surely chip and scratch off in the areas where there will be metal-to-metal contact. So, has anyone had their latches and/or safety hook powder-coated? Something I'm concerned about: Will the internal moving parts still move freely after powder-coating, or will they bind and/or freeze up? Thanks.

Re: '70 Challenger (Hood / Trunk Latch, Lever, Striker) [Re: filmsurgeon] #1392189
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Try using RPM, It works great.If you can't plate them.
Bob


Mom & Dad let me buy a brand new 70 Challenger R/T 440 Six-Pack Super Trac Pack when I was 17

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Re: '70 Challenger (Hood / Trunk Latch, Lever, Striker) [Re: VCODE] #1392190
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Try using RPM, It works great.If you can't plate them.
Bob




What is RPM?

Re: '70 Challenger (Hood / Trunk Latch, Lever, Striker) [Re: filmsurgeon] #1392191
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Try using RPM, It works great.If you can't plate them.
Bob




What is RPM?




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It works Great, just heat the part with a hair dryer (wife not happy)and brush it on as a paste turning liquid. Coat and protects metal from rust, looks and stays like bare metal when done.
Hope this helps
Bob

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