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E-Body Convertible Interior A-Pillar Trim #1390710
02/20/13 03:59 AM
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My '70 Challenger Convertible is by-no-means stock, and I'm not trying to change that. The prior owner's resto-mod "restoration" includes many non-'70 original parts, and aftermarket stuff. So I don't mind doing what I'm planning to do regarding the A-Pillar interior trim. I wanted to replace them because the plastic had cracked at the screw hole at the lower end of the piece. Several years ago, I purchased original mint condition '70-'74 hard-top pieces because I read somewhere that the top could be cut off for convertible applications (I recently read that the same thing was done at the factory). The only way I was able to get the trim off the A-pillar was to break it off in many pieces because it was "fused" to the windshield's urethane adhesive. When I placed one of the hard-top pieces on the A-Pillar, I noticed that the lower screw hole was in a different location (higher up). I was perplexed until I started doing some research here and elsewhere. I now understand that there were two versions of the A-Pillar trim; that which was used in the 1970-71 cars, and another which was used in 1972-74 cars. I believe the only differences were in the location of the screw holes and possibly the hardness of the plastic (1970-71 being harder than the later years). I'm going ahead with using the HT pieces since they're in such nice condition. I plan on drilling a new screw mount hole in the A-Pillar, and cutting the top off the trim just below the top screw hole. Any comments or suggestions on my plan and/or what tool/method would be best to cut the top off will be greatly appreciated. My other concern is whether or not I'll be able to get the drill where I need to in order to drill out the new hole (the windshield is still in and I'd rather not have to take it out and put it back in just for this). Pictures are of the two passenger side trim pieces. I lined up the Pentastar and part numbers to show the screw hole location differences. Interestingly, the part #s are the same. Thanks.






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Re: E-Body Convertible Interior A-Pillar Trim [Re: filmsurgeon] #1390711
02/20/13 10:27 AM
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It's an easy job. Any saw will cut the plastic. The top, cut portion will be covered under the metal 90 degree corner piece.
The bottom screw does not even need to be installed. The plastic piece is held firmly in place.
But, if you would like the hole to be filled with a screw, you could just drill a new hole in the new location of the later model modified piece. Just an option.
Otherwise you will have the original later model screw hole that will be unused.
I personally would look for a 1970-71 piece, if I was going to modify it.

Actual convertible pieces are still out there for sale.


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Re: E-Body Convertible Interior A-Pillar Trim [Re: cudaized] #1390712
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And to build on Ola's post - the original convertible pillar trim has the same moulded part number as the 70-1 hardtop trim so you will have a point of reference when you go shopping

Re: E-Body Convertible Interior A-Pillar Trim [Re: cudaized] #1390713
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Quote:

It's an easy job. Any saw will cut the plastic. The top, cut portion will be covered under the metal 90 degree corner piece.
The bottom screw does not even need to be installed. The plastic piece is held firmly in place.
But, if you would like the hole to be filled with a screw, you could just drill a new hole in the new location of the later model modified piece. Just an option.
Otherwise you will have the original later model screw hole that will be unused.
I personally would look for a 1970-71 piece, if I was going to modify it.

Actual convertible pieces are still out there for sale.




Thanks guys. I'm going to go ahead and use the later model trim pieces I already have since they're in such nice condition (they are literally mint), and although I'm sure there are original 1970-71 pieces out there, I don't want to spend the time (and $$$) looking for good ones. I have lots of other things I need to focus my time and energy on with regard to changes/improvements on the car. I definitely want to use the existing screw hole in the later model trim to ensure a more secure install to the A-Pillar, and to fill in the hole. I assume that you mean "drill an new hole" in the A-Pillar, not the later model trim itself. I just hope that the windshield will not be an obstruction from me drilling the A-Pillar hole.

Re: E-Body Convertible Interior A-Pillar Trim [Re: YYZ] #1390714
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And to build on Ola's post - the original convertible pillar trim has the same moulded part number as the 70-1 hardtop trim so you will have a point of reference when you go shopping




I guess that's another indication that the hardtop trim was likely cut at the factory for the convertibles. Interesting though that the moulded part number is the same on both of my pieces (the original 70-71 piece that I took out of the car, and the later model hardtop piece that I'm going to cut/use), even though the lower screw holes are in different locations.

Re: E-Body Convertible Interior A-Pillar Trim [Re: filmsurgeon] #1390715
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Not to be picky and I may be wrong but I believe it is 70 only, not 70 and 71 that has the lower hole real close to the bottom.
Also if drilling another hole in the plastic try to have the hole countersunk like original so the screw tightens in and the head is not above the surface thus making it appear factory original.

Re: E-Body Convertible Interior A-Pillar Trim [Re: mccannix] #1390716
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Not to be picky and I may be wrong but I believe it is 70 only, not 70 and 71 that has the lower hole real close to the bottom.
Also if drilling another hole in the plastic try to have the hole countersunk like original so the screw tightens in and the head is not above the surface thus making it appear factory original.




You might be correct about the year versions. I'm not sure if the info I read somewhere else was 100% accurate. I would not be drilling a new hole in the plastic trim. That would leave me with two holes to fill with screws. My plan is to drill the A-pillar itself to match the existing screw hole in the later model trim.

Re: E-Body Convertible Interior A-Pillar Trim [Re: filmsurgeon] #1390717
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I used a die grinder/cutoff wheel to cut mine. Made a perfect cut. Not sure on what the break point is for the the different screw hole locations. I was lucky and had a early style one that was broken at the top, so it was the perfect candidate to make a convertible one out of.


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Re: E-Body Convertible Interior A-Pillar Trim [Re: dart440] #1390718
03/29/13 08:03 PM
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A related question. Should the pillar post color be black to match the black dashboard OR be white to match the white front and rear seats, door panels and white convertible top ? The car is plum crazy as pictured as above .

Re: E-Body Convertible Interior A-Pillar Trim [Re: benny] #1390719
03/29/13 08:13 PM
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On my 67 BCuda pillars there is a molded in line that shows where to cut. Maybe yours has that too.

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Re: E-Body Convertible Interior A-Pillar Trim [Re: benny] #1390720
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A related question. Should the pillar post color be black to match the black dashboard OR be white to match the white front and rear seats, door panels and white convertible top ? The car is plum crazy as pictured as above .




My Sublime vert clearly had the windshield frame blacked out... On a Plum Crazy car they may have left it purple....


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