|
Re: QA1 Suspension R & D
[Re: Viol8r]
#1386369
03/06/13 01:38 PM
03/06/13 01:38 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 780
Woodinville, WA
Viol8r
OP
super stock
|
OP
super stock
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 780
Woodinville, WA
|
Quote:
Quote:
So it will be tube k member with rack steering with torsion bars? That could be a nice set up, do you have a time line as to when you will be starting on this?
Yes that is correct. Rack and pinion with Tubular structure and torsion bars. I was a bit surprised by the torsion bars still in the design, but with a good shock and the right balance, sky is the limit.
I received notification a few weeks ago that they finalizing the contract. I suspect we should hear something this week.
UPDATE:
I sat down with QA1 yesterday to go over the product. There is some information that I gave earlier that is going to change. The K-member will NOT have the rack and pinion. It will uitilize stock mounting points and a stock box. One point of contention was they are only designed for manual steering. The engineers are double checking this as we speak and will get back to me ASAP. I told them, this will need to change. They must design this to except a PS box.
The weight currently is 1 lb. lighter then a stock K-member. When they first started reverse engineering this unit it was 30 +/- lbs. The added strength to avoid flex is why they have reached this revised weight.
So essentially what you are getting is much stronger version of a stock K-member, tubular upper and lowers, and the guarentee of quality that a 100,000 sq/ft facility all laser cut and CNC machined product can give you. More to follow.
|
|
|
Re: QA1 Suspension R & D
[Re: moparAL]
#1386371
03/07/13 04:49 PM
03/07/13 04:49 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 4,785
Utah and Alaska
astjp2
master
|
master
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 4,785
Utah and Alaska
|
I want some more info and feedback on their td901 and td501 double adjustable shocks, before I drop a grand on them. Tim
1941 Taylorcraft
1968 Charger
1994 Wrangler
1998 Wrangler
2008 Kia Rio
2017 Jetta
I didn't do 4 years and 9 months of Graduate School to be called Mister!
|
|
|
Re: QA1 Suspension R & D
[Re: astjp2]
#1386372
03/08/13 12:28 PM
03/08/13 12:28 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 780
Woodinville, WA
Viol8r
OP
super stock
|
OP
super stock
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 780
Woodinville, WA
|
Quote:
I want some more info and feedback on their td901 and td501 double adjustable shocks, before I drop a grand on them. Tim
You will hopefully be getting that from me, as I will be provided with a set of double-adjustables to run with the combo. TD507 & TD802(with a Eye/ eye combo)
Currently run adjustable Ridetech shocks, so they understand they will need something to directly replace what we already have.
|
|
|
Re: QA1 Suspension R & D
[Re: astjp2]
#1386374
03/10/13 01:37 PM
03/10/13 01:37 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 780
Woodinville, WA
Viol8r
OP
super stock
|
OP
super stock
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 780
Woodinville, WA
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
I want some more info and feedback on their td901 and td501 double adjustable shocks, before I drop a grand on them. Tim
You will hopefully be getting that from me, as I will be provided with a set of double-adjustables to run with the combo. TD507 & TD802(with a Eye/ eye combo)
Currently run adjustable Ridetech shocks, so they understand they will need something to directly replace what we already have.
What are you going to do with your old shocks?
Probably go to events with me and serve as backups.
|
|
|
Re: QA1 Suspension R & D
[Re: BergmanAutoCraft]
#1386376
03/10/13 11:45 PM
03/10/13 11:45 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 3,577
Long Island, NY USA
BergmanAutoCraft
master
|
master
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 3,577
Long Island, NY USA
|
Marty, thanks for reporting on this. However I'm having the same feelings as Tom on this one. I'd like to see a more precisely constructed lower arm that allows more bump clearance at least for the As, but now that we can purchase good quality t bars, shocks, steering boxes, strut rod assemblies upper arms and sway bars, what are we trying to improve? As far as rigity is concerned, unless QA1 is willing to put the cars on a surface plate it all seems to be a guess. Greater oil pan clearance seems to be the only potential benefit.
|
|
|
Re: QA1 Suspension R & D
[Re: BergmanAutoCraft]
#1386377
03/11/13 03:55 AM
03/11/13 03:55 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 27,471
So Cal
autoxcuda
Too Many Posts
|
Too Many Posts
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 27,471
So Cal
|
Quote:
Marty, thanks for reporting on this. However I'm having the same feelings as Tom on this one. I'd like to see a more precisely constructed lower arm that allows more bump clearance at least for the As, but now that we can purchase good quality t bars, shocks, steering boxes, strut rod assemblies upper arms and sway bars, what are we trying to improve? As far as rigity is concerned, unless QA1 is willing to put the cars on a surface plate it all seems to be a guess. Greater oil pan clearance seems to be the only potential benefit.
I agree to some point.
But I've got nice unrusted stock LCA's that are worn between the pivot arm and the LCA stamping holes creating slop. They are 40 years old now. I'd like to see them tight with very little movement.
And I also agree with Peter point to see more bump stop clearance designed into the LCA's for lowered cars. IMHO, that could be nice feature and benefit that's a cost effective alternative to paying for dropped spindles.
Last edited by autoxcuda; 03/11/13 03:20 PM.
|
|
|
Re: QA1 Suspension R & D
[Re: BergmanAutoCraft]
#1386378
03/11/13 11:53 AM
03/11/13 11:53 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 780
Woodinville, WA
Viol8r
OP
super stock
|
OP
super stock
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 780
Woodinville, WA
|
Quote:
Didn't QA1 buy out Carrera for their shocks and buy out CAP for the K frame parts?
Not sure on the Carrera deal, but QA1 has been in the shock business for a while. They did aquire CAP, but these systems have been totally re-engineered.
|
|
|
Re: QA1 Suspension R & D
[Re: BergmanAutoCraft]
#1386379
03/11/13 12:08 PM
03/11/13 12:08 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 780
Woodinville, WA
Viol8r
OP
super stock
|
OP
super stock
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 780
Woodinville, WA
|
Quote:
Marty, thanks for reporting on this. However I'm having the same feelings as Tom on this one. I'd like to see a more precisely constructed lower arm that allows more bump clearance at least for the As, but now that we can purchase good quality t bars, shocks, steering boxes, strut rod assemblies upper arms and sway bars, what are we trying to improve? As far as rigity is concerned, unless QA1 is willing to put the cars on a surface plate it all seems to be a guess. Greater oil pan clearance seems to be the only potential benefit.
I am not going to be the 'A- body' go to guy. There will be another car that will lead that charge. I believe they are still pretty early on in the design for the A-body front. I will relay these statements to them and see if I can get you some answers.
I really think QA1 is just trying to give guys a chance to improve front end feel. It may not be for everyone, but there are plenty of guys that will take a look at this set-up before they go with the heavy costs of the other makes. As far as speed and strength, the proof will be when I hit the track. Will it be worth some extra speed? We will see.
|
|
|
Re: QA1 Suspension R & D
[Re: autoxcuda]
#1386381
03/11/13 05:30 PM
03/11/13 05:30 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 387
Montreal PQ, Canada
74_360_Cuda
enthusiast
|
enthusiast
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 387
Montreal PQ, Canada
|
Quote:
But I've got nice unrusted stock LCA's that are worn between the pivot arm and the LCA stamping holes creating slop. They are 40 years old now. I'd like to see them tight with very little movement.
That is exactly my situation however I am not tempted to pull the trigger on those arms because I am a technical guy and they look weak. So far I have not seen any proof that these LCA are as good or better than the OEM (other than a non scientific destructive test done in 1 magazine). I have a concern with the torsionnal stiffness when we use big sway bars and also with the durability at the transition from the solid portion to the clevis at the end. If QA1 have re-engineer everything they should be able to state what they have improved and to show proper test / analysis results because I am sure I am not the only guy who is thinking that way.
|
|
|
Re: QA1 Suspension R & D
[Re: 74_360_Cuda]
#1386382
03/11/13 06:20 PM
03/11/13 06:20 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 780
Woodinville, WA
Viol8r
OP
super stock
|
OP
super stock
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 780
Woodinville, WA
|
Quote:
Quote:
But I've got nice unrusted stock LCA's that are worn between the pivot arm and the LCA stamping holes creating slop. They are 40 years old now. I'd like to see them tight with very little movement.
That is exactly my situation however I am not tempted to pull the trigger on those arms because I am a technical guy and they look weak. So far I have not seen any proof that these LCA are as good or better than the OEM (other than a non scientific destructive test done in 1 magazine). I have a concern with the torsionnal stiffness when we use big sway bars and also with the durability at the transition from the solid portion to the clevis at the end. If QA1 have re-engineer everything they should be able to state what they have improved and to show proper test / analysis results because I am sure I am not the only guy who is thinking that way.
Does every part we buy for cars come with proper test and analysis paperwork?? Not sure, I don't have much in the way of that........I will obviously push for this due to the questions being raised about the constructability of the UCA and LCA's in the past.
|
|
|
Re: QA1 Suspension R & D
[Re: Viol8r]
#1386383
03/11/13 10:06 PM
03/11/13 10:06 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 42,714
Spokane Washington
ScottSmith_Harms
Mr Wizzard
|
Mr Wizzard
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 42,714
Spokane Washington
|
Quote:
If QA1 have re-engineer everything they should be able to state what they have improved and to show proper test / analysis results because I am sure I am not the only guy who is thinking that way.
No, you are not the only one thinking that way, and it's not just Q1A that's being  . So far it seems the largest investment that most of the latest companies have invested into are their marketing budgets.
|
|
|
Re: QA1 Suspension R & D
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
#1386384
03/11/13 10:23 PM
03/11/13 10:23 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 387
Montreal PQ, Canada
74_360_Cuda
enthusiast
|
enthusiast
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 387
Montreal PQ, Canada
|
If only it was good marketing; IMO, With proper market survey they would find that there is a big potential market for this product (no competitors) and then the next question could be: how come we are not selling more of these?
Maybe they should google it and see what some of the Mopar guys are thinking about this product and find out why they are not pulling the trigger more often...
Last edited by 74_360_Cuda; 04/04/13 10:12 PM.
|
|
|
Re: QA1 Suspension R & D
[Re: 74_360_Cuda]
#1386385
03/11/13 11:48 PM
03/11/13 11:48 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 5,394
Pikes Peak Country
TC@HP2
master
|
master
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 5,394
Pikes Peak Country
|
Quote:
If only it was good marketing marketing, if they were doing a market survey they would find that there is a big potential market (no competitors) and then they could ask themselve how come we are not selling more of these?
Huh??
|
|
|
|
|
