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Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: animal8324] #1384507
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Put a 90 yr old with clacoma (sp?) Behind the whell of the stang and it'll be buried in the forst corner.




Put a 90 year old with glaucoma behind the wheel of the Stang and it'll be buried in the first corner.

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Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: Supercuda] #1384508
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Put a 90 yr old with clacoma (sp?) Behind the whell of the stang and it'll be buried in the forst corner.




Put a 90 year old with glaucoma behind the wheel of the Stang and it'll be buried in the first corner.

Translation provided free of charge.




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Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: animal8324] #1384509
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Someone said they wanted to merge two Hayabusa engines together.....check it out

The Hayabusa V8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YAFMZyBPI4

Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: animal8324] #1384510
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Bang for the buck, it's hard to beat a last-year's sorted racecar, then add power & tire and reduce weight where you can if you're not limited by rules.
As far as an older car, I like the idea of using a modern tube car and putting vintage body panels on it. Obviously wheelbase & track width of the chassis need to work with the proportions of the body, depending on how original you want it to look.

Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: domingo] #1384511
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for that kind money you could just buy a new nissan GTR that would spank that mustang

if I wanted to beat it cheaper, probably a modified EVO or STI should do it for less than half that

all the modified mustangs that come out to autox never seem to be in the top 10, more like around the middle of the pack - have never been impressed with them handling wise...

as for our mopars, that is my goal! don't know if it'll happen




the owner of that mustang drives a 2012 gtr on the street!

here is his car....my original 440.6 4 speed shaker cuda beside it.




sweet! probably the car I'd buy when I retire...30 years from now, by then i could probably afford it lol

Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: dangina] #1384512
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Here is how you make an old Mopar out handle that race prepped Mustang:

Get a copy of Mopar Action June 1994

How to cut 4 seconds off your ET for $10

http://www.moparaction.com/Next/history/june1994.html



So if you cut enough of your car away you will eventually beat that Mustang and if you think of it this way, once the weight cut out of the car you should be able to get away with a 0.84" diameter torsion bar and have some excellent cornering capabilities......




Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: PHJ426] #1384513
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I hope you know I am just kidding with that last post.

Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: PHJ426] #1384514
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Yes, it can be done. Lots of recipes to get there, too. None of them particularly inexpensive, though.

Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: Jim_Lusk] #1384515
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Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: domingo] #1384516
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The mustang continental spec tire is a 275/35/18. I don't know how much hp they run in that series, but I doubt it's over 600.

To beat him:
Put 335/30/18's on all 4 corners
get the center of gravity as low as possible while still maintaining a minimum travel
Ensure your suspension maintains a good contact patch in the corners
Beat his weight to power ratio across the rpm band you'll be working in
Upgrade your braking system to ensure no fade at threshold braking lap after lap

I have a similar yet lesser goal. Keep up with a C6 Z06 & a porsche GT3. I'll be running 275/35/18's on all 4, factory suspension geometry, a 3G Hemi, and 14x1.25 with viper calipers on all 4. I should be running in a few weeks and racing in a few months, so that should give you a baseline on what to improve on. Shoot, Tim's valiant and Peter's dart are both good cars to base a build off of with your goal in mind.


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Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: domingo] #1384517
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http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=11545

what would it take?





One of these.... http://glennbunch.com/ inside is the 40 year history of what it takes to make one of these cars a world beater on an international racing stage. It ain't easy, nor cheap and there are lots of pitfalls along the way.

Here is a comparable GTO doing the same; http://gtoroadracer.com/

Again, not easy or cheap, and to be honest, there is not much of the original cars that remain in either case. However, with Dodge getting out of Nascar, I'm sure there are a lot of W9/P5 race engines out there that can be had cheap. Reskin an older cup chassis with an old PLymouth and boom, instant classic car with high speed capability ala Ray Evernham's recent '64 Plymouth build.

Neat thing about doing something like this with a Charger or Road Runner is that they already have coke bottle styling to contain the wide rubber. No flares required.

Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: PHJ426] #1384518
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Someone said they wanted to merge two Hayabusa engines together.....check it out

The Hayabusa V8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YAFMZyBPI4




That's the engine in the Atom I posted too...
Neat stuff....

Agree that a cup car reskinned would be a good start. Trouble is, they only make a couple road course cars for many speedway versions, and Domingo didn't say what the course is like.
If it's more like an autocross, a cup car is going to be like a bull in a china shop...

Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: RodStRace] #1384519
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It depends. The basic chassis may be built pretty symetrically since Nascar imposes rules on how much offset and bias can be built into the chassis. Changing control arms and spring rates to balance the car out for right and left turns should be a simple bolt on effort if the car is a symetrical design. Actually a Nationwide or Late Model series car may also be an alternativesince they are built on slightly shorter wheelbases to different requirement levels.

For that matter, you could probably have Racefab, Alston, BMR, Howe or any other supplier put one together specifically for your requirements. Heck, Howe even offers a TA2, GTA, and GT2 chassis package if you are so inclined: http://www.howeracing.com/Adobe/HoweTA20811.pdf with a base price tag of $72.5k for an LS3. Since they will do any engine and body combo, all it takes is some more money for a change to a Hemi and a Challenger body and you should come in around the same price tag as the Mustang listed above. In the oval track chassis, they do offer symetrical or offset chassis builds in various stages of completion. Prices start at $2700 and go up from there. http://www.howeracing.com/p-7331-perimeter.aspx


If you really want to keep it mopar based and do it all yourself, there are enough reproduction parts out there that you can buy all the core pieces from an E body to reproduce the old Mopar Kit car program chassis for around $3500 and then add all the associated tubing for the cage and other structure for a few hundred more. After that, you can skin it in darn near any body you want. Run t-bars and leafs, XV L2, AlterK, or whatever suspension suits your fancy.

Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: TC@HP2] #1384520
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Here is a pic of that 1964 race prepped Imperial:

7584624-64Imperial.jpg (46 downloads)
Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: PHJ426] #1384521
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Perfect! I was about to pull the trigger on the Mustang but I will get one of those Imperials and a torch instead! You just save me $134,000...


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Perfect! I was about to pull the trigger on the Mustang but I will get one of those Imperials and a torch instead! You just save me $134,000...


...and you sure don't need a top or sides on your car in the Great Snowy North...


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Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: amxautox] #1384523
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Well I was riding my dirt bike yesterday.....


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Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: 67autocross] #1384524
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...why are you steering to the right while turning to the left?

I know, I know. Same as what Doc told Lightening in the 'Cars' movie.


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Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: amxautox] #1384525
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There's a tube-chassis GT car with a C4 body Dzus-fastened to it in Hemmings right now for $11,900. Imagine that with a suitable vintage Mopar body on it...it'd be great with an early Valiant body - tell me it wouldn't drive the other guys nuts - but that's too narrow without flares or seriously bulged fenders & quarters.

Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: topside] #1384526
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Imagine if they would have been tracing where the center of gravity was moving around as the weight was removed from the 1964 Imperial.

The last move should have been lowering that car down some more that is one high riding go cart when they finished up with it.

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