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Re: Best headers for a street driven 440? [Re: BFASTER] #1383431
02/10/13 03:02 PM 02/10/13 03:02 PM
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Thank you all for the advice! Now to decide....


Ya get what ya pay for. Quality equals excellent fit. Yeah they cost more but they are high quality. Tri-Y Headers

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Re: Best headers for a street driven 440? [Re: Junky] #1383432
02/10/13 04:23 PM 02/10/13 04:23 PM
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Thank you all for the advice! Now to decide....


Ya get what ya pay for. Quality equals excellent fit. Yeah they cost more but they are high quality. Tri-Y Headers




You have to look at all of the varibles.

Those are the small 1 5/8" primary tube. That is pretty small for a 440. A mild build 440 should have at least a 1 3/4".

I have a 523 stroker that I am vasolating between 1 7/8--2" as they are exactly double the price for the 2"

When you get into the 1 7/8--2" is where you have the fit problem at the steering box. Not hard to clear the steering with the puny 1 5/8" primary tube.
Re: Best headers for a street driven 440? [Re: 696pack] #1383433
02/10/13 05:54 PM 02/10/13 05:54 PM
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Thank you all for the advice! Now to decide....


Ya get what ya pay for. Quality equals excellent fit. Yeah they cost more but they are high quality. Tri-Y Headers




You have to look at all of the varibles.

Those are the small 1 5/8" primary tube. That is pretty small for a 440. A mild build 440 should have at least a 1 3/4".

I have a 523 stroker that I am vasolating between 1 7/8--2" as they are exactly double the price for the 2"

When you get into the 1 7/8--2" is where you have the fit problem at the steering box. Not hard to clear the steering with the puny 1 5/8" primary tube.



those tri-Y's are for A-bodys. Not sure they are 1 5/8" The summit headers and Heddmans work well.
Re: Best headers for a street driven 440? [Re: BFASTER] #1383434
02/10/13 09:57 PM 02/10/13 09:57 PM
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OH Gloria; Hey Jim, did you ever get your car painted? If
so send me some pictures of it. Mike
Re: Best headers for a street driven 440? [Re: moparmikethree] #1383435
02/11/13 12:18 PM 02/11/13 12:18 PM
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OP stated: For street cruising.

I take it he's not looking for ever last bit of horse power.

Those Tri-Y's fit perfectly and are easy to install. They don't trap anything. No ground clearance problems of any kind. Quality is very good. I heard they are manufactured by TTI but only sold through Schumacher. Great for a "cruiser". They also add a nice sound when standing on the go pedal.

If you want quality, easy install and looks...them be the ones. I'm sure they flow a lot better than shorties; and stock exhaust manifolds for sure.

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Re: Best headers for a street driven 440? [Re: Junky] #1383436
02/11/13 12:42 PM 02/11/13 12:42 PM
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Plus the tri-Y design is beneficial to torque under the torque peak.

It sure does cut down on the amount of physical space taken up by the header.

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Re: Best headers for a street driven 440? [Re: dogdays] #1383437
02/13/13 05:57 PM 02/13/13 05:57 PM
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Thank you all. I now have a lot of info to process. And I do have power steering, but not power brakes. Exhaust valve size is 1.81".

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Re: Best headers for a street driven 440? [Re: BFASTER] #1383438
02/13/13 07:59 PM 02/13/13 07:59 PM
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I like those Schumacher Tri Ys. Yes their primaries are small but they go in and out EASY, are built with beefy steel and allow easy starter and plug changes. I bet they flow better than OEM hi perf manifolds- and many run the iron manifolds on built stealthy stock looking engines.

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Re: Best headers for a street driven 440? [Re: Junky] #1383439
02/13/13 11:38 PM 02/13/13 11:38 PM
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The Schumacher headers are what I'm going to use for my car, just a puny 400+.030. This test helped convince me that I'd probably never notice the difference. Andy F made 550hp with 470" a mp.528 cam and stock HP manifolds

Re: Best headers for a street driven 440? [Re: Skeptic] #1383440
02/14/13 12:08 AM 02/14/13 12:08 AM
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I dont think the Tri-Y will make as much power as full lenth headers. But they make more then stock manifolds and if your not worried about every once of performance then you cant beat the Tri-Y's. Ron
Re: Best headers for a street driven 440? [Re: 383man] #1383441
02/14/13 10:22 AM 02/14/13 10:22 AM
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Does anyone have any info on what it takes to make the Schumachers work with the factory Zbar,(4 speed) tried to follow the link on their site but couldnt find the info. If its much effort I would probably be better off with a different option.
Re: Best headers for a street driven 440? [Re: 383man] #1383442
02/14/13 12:30 PM 02/14/13 12:30 PM
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The Schumacher BB headers are nice and are phased 180 degrees (which is the way I'd do it.) But thier small block set is not 180 for some reason.

bang for the buck the Hooker 1 7/8" are worth the extra $$$ over the Hedman/Summit 1 3/4" mainly since they are both a thicker flange and primary tube gauge. I like to run the hookers with a 3 1/2" slip-fit collector after cutting off the factory (too small) 3". It's an easy job for any competent exhaust shop.

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Re: Best headers for a street driven 440? [Re: Skeptic] #1383443
02/14/13 10:46 PM 02/14/13 10:46 PM
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The Schumacher headers are what I'm going to use for my car, just a puny 400+.030. This test helped convince me that I'd probably never notice the difference. Andy F made 550hp with 470" a mp.528 cam and stock HP manifolds



I have that magazine test mule motor Andy built in my car. He had upgraded the cam to a bigger Comp grind. I downgraded back to the 528. What a great cam (gave Andy the Comp cam back). I have TTI's on my Challenger and am going back to manifolds with big headpipes. Headers are a pain cause even the TTI's rust and look like crap. IF someone made SS headers I'd be all over that but I don't have the time or $ to have a custom set made. I'd even go for some SS shorties

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Re: Best headers for a street driven 440? [Re: 71TA] #1383444
02/15/13 12:22 AM 02/15/13 12:22 AM
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The Schumacher headers are what I'm going to use for my car, just a puny 400+.030. This test helped convince me that I'd probably never notice the difference. Andy F made 550hp with 470" a mp.528 cam and stock HP manifolds



I have that magazine test mule motor Andy built in my car. He had upgraded the cam to a bigger Comp grind. I downgraded back to the 528. What a great cam (gave Andy the Comp cam back). I have TTI's on my Challenger and am going back to manifolds with big headpipes. Headers are a pain cause even the TTI's rust and look like crap. IF someone made SS headers I'd be all over that but I don't have the time or $ to have a custom set made. I'd even go for some SS shorties


I've been running Schumacher Tri-Y's now for about 10 years with ceramic coating. They look as good today as they did when I had them coated. Maybe not as shiny, but still looking good. They have kindda turned to a satin silver.

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Re: Best headers for a street driven 440? [Re: 71TA] #1383445
02/15/13 08:18 AM 02/15/13 08:18 AM
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The Schumacher headers are what I'm going to use for my car, just a puny 400+.030. This test helped convince me that I'd probably never notice the difference. Andy F made 550hp with 470" a mp.528 cam and stock HP manifolds



I have that magazine test mule motor Andy built in my car. He had upgraded the cam to a bigger Comp grind. I downgraded back to the 528. What a great cam (gave Andy the Comp cam back). I have TTI's on my Challenger and am going back to manifolds with big headpipes. Headers are a pain cause even the TTI's rust and look like crap. IF someone made SS headers I'd be all over that but I don't have the time or $ to have a custom set made. I'd even go for some SS shorties



for the price schumacher and TTI charge, they should be at least 409 stainless.....304 stainless polishes up nice, but has it's own issues when used in headers. it'll thermal fatigue and crack. my boss had that issue on 2 pair of headers on his 454 truck....

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Re: Best headers for a street driven 440? [Re: Skeptic] #1383446
04/22/14 10:21 PM 04/22/14 10:21 PM
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The Schumacher headers are what I'm going to use for my car, just a puny 400+.030. This test helped convince me that I'd probably never notice the difference. Andy F made 550hp with 470" a mp.528 cam and stock HP manifolds





Re: Best headers for a street driven 440? [Re: Sport440] #1383447
04/22/14 11:04 PM 04/22/14 11:04 PM
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YYHedman 78030.

They are dirt cheap, easy to install and tuck up under the car nicely.
Re: Best headers for a street driven 440? [Re: GY3] #1383448
04/23/14 01:58 AM 04/23/14 01:58 AM
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1 7/8 Hedman Elite. They fit and make decent power.

Leave the gun.......take the Cannoli's....Mike
Re: Best headers for a street driven 440? [Re: mike s] #1383449
04/23/14 03:20 AM 04/23/14 03:20 AM
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Dougs. All of the features that TTI offers but less money. Plug access is amazing, you can R&R the starter without touching the headers, thick tubes and flanges, I'll post pics when I get home





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Re: Best headers for a street driven 440? [Re: roe] #1383450
04/23/14 04:01 AM 04/23/14 04:01 AM
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I would be looking at these for a street car:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/OBX-Exhaust-Head...8e2&vxp=mtr
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