Ring & Pinion WOW!
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01/22/13 08:25 PM
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Has anybody seen this before, brand new ring & pinion broke in per instructions, 4th pass down at the track at the big end with a small block! Really!
1965 Plymouth Barracuda 273 M/SA 1970 Plymouth Duster 360/904 10.60s with J heads
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Re: Ring & Pinion WOW!
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01/22/13 09:42 PM
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Grain pattern looks loose in that pic. There should be a tighter grain pattern around the outer edge.
Yeah, it's got a smallblock.
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Re: Ring & Pinion WOW!
[Re: sam64]
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01/22/13 09:43 PM
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Is that because the metal is to hard? and i don't see why the driveline would let go when it has the least amount of force on it i was at a 1000 ft, its a street car and only runs low 11's
1965 Plymouth Barracuda 273 M/SA 1970 Plymouth Duster 360/904 10.60s with J heads
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Re: Ring & Pinion WOW!
[Re: 65signet]
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01/22/13 09:45 PM
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I'd think it's time to have the remains checked for hardness.
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Re: Ring & Pinion WOW!
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01/22/13 09:57 PM
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Strang that it broke at the top end of the track.. but that grain looks weird... I dont think its over hardened... if it was there would be sharp edges on parts of the break... but its not soft... you dont see any twisting lines... weird
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Re: Ring & Pinion WOW!
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01/22/13 11:23 PM
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could be a thermal fracture from heat treat or a lamination from the parent material.
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Re: Ring & Pinion WOW!
[Re: dennismopar73]
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01/23/13 05:26 AM
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All 4 u joint bolts have been hitting something? ,The issue maybe the axle wrap up and putting drive shaft in a bind would be my best guess
That could be from when it hit the ground spinning at 100+ mph?
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Re: Ring & Pinion WOW!
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01/23/13 09:45 AM
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All 4 u joint bolts have been hitting something? ,The issue maybe the axle wrap up and putting drive shaft in a bind would be my best guess
That could be from when it hit the ground spinning at 100+ mph?
I'd say no, the flange behind it doesn't look worn down.
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Re: Ring & Pinion WOW!
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Is that break right where the splines start? Maybe not enough radius on the edges where the splines begin? That would make it break really easily right there.
what if the pinion nut was not torqued to spec? could that cause this?
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Re: Ring & Pinion WOW!
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01/23/13 11:26 AM
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No vibration very smooth going down the track
If the u-joint was hitting something I don't think the OP would've posted this.
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Re: Ring & Pinion WOW!
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01/24/13 09:07 AM
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We have seen this quite a few times and have done it once myself.Usually it's overtorque that caused the problem.I assumed my airwrench would only torque to 150# wrong.I was left holding the yoke in my hand.Many assume the torque setting for a pinion nut is 240+# or as tight as you can get it with a 2 foot cheater pipe.There are varied setting depending on the pinion stem diameter and if it's straight or tapered.These specs can range from 125#ft to 250#ft.Always check with the manufacture for the correct setting.My thoughts are use a new lock nut,locktight and tighten as needed,you can even center punch the nut in several places to insure it doesn't back off.
Pinion nut was tighten to allow for the correct preload on the pinion with new bearings it was set to 20 inch pounds of rotation drag..
The pinion nut does not set preload.The crush washer if used or if its a straight pinion shims are used to set preload.
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