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727 or Power glide???? #1369680
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I'm putting together a 69 GTX. Car is currently at 2880lbs. Race weight should be about 3050. Engine is a 535 inch Hemi with ported stage V heads. This engine went 9.63 at 138mph @ 3800 lbs in the last car it was in. Should I go with a torqueflite 3 gears vs powerglide? Power glides are sooooo much $$$$$cheaper. What do you guys run with your combos? Thanks!

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Is this just a bracket car? I'd run a Glide for sure.


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Triple Threat, What are the advantages and what are the general guidelines where one would chose the glide over the torqueflite? This will be a fun track car that will bracket race 6 times a year.

Re: 727 or Power glide???? [Re: mercman1] #1369683
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i went from the three speed to the glide. purpose is the glide has a tall first gear that works better with the 28" or 29" tall rear tire.will help slow the tire speed off the line. also when looking at the graph you can see a spike in rpm every time it shifts. my thought was to take one of the shift spikes out of the equasion. like said earlier, i choose the glide for racing. if it were street than i would reconsider.

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There aren't really guidelines, just opinions and perspective really.

Most people say if your car weighs around 3000# or less and/or makes a good amount of power it would benefit from a glide. Taller first gear helps prevent wheel spin, and as stated it removes one shift from the equation. Powerglides typically also react quicker and work better with that kind of power in front of them.

If I was in your shoes, I would purchase a good powerglide with a Reid/Dedenbear case and never look back.


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Re: 727 or Power glide???? [Re: mercman1] #1369685
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I'm putting together a 69 GTX. Car is currently at 2880lbs. Race weight should be about 3050. Engine is a 535 inch Hemi with ported stage V heads. This engine went 9.63 at 138mph @ 3800 lbs in the last car it was in. Should I go with a torqueflite 3 gears vs powerglide? Power glides are sooooo much $$$$$cheaper. What do you guys run with your combos? Thanks!




Are you spraying it coming off the line... if you
are then go with the glide... the torqureflight and
its 1 gear is much lower but on a big power lite
car might break the tires loose (if spraying)... I
run the 727 but with a SB but get a 1.19 60' N/A

Re: 727 or Power glide???? [Re: Deepockets] #1369686
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i went from the three speed to the glide. purpose is the glide has a tall first gear that works better with the 28" or 29" tall rear tire.will help slow the tire speed off the line. also when looking at the graph you can see a spike in rpm every time it shifts. my thought was to take one of the shift spikes out of the equasion. like said earlier, i choose the glide for racing. if it were street than i would reconsider.




Actually if you think about it the glide would increases the tire speed and decrease the torque applied to the tire. The lower 1st gear of a 727 would decrease tire speed but multiply the torque applied to the tire.


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Re: 727 or Power glide???? [Re: mercman1] #1369687
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well now there are multiple gear sets for the 727
2.28/1.45/1 to 1
2.24/1.39/1 to 1
2.10/1.39/1 to 1
in straight cut gears mighty strong way to build a 727 right right off the bat for hemi power??

Bottom right on page 22
and straight cut on
page 23
http://www.aandatrans.com/images/2010_Web_Catalog.pdf

stock gears are
2.45/1.45/ 1 to 1
lower sets are
2.74/1.54/ 1 to 1

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Re: 727 or Power glide???? [Re: Dodgem] #1369688
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Triple Threat, What are the advantages and what are the general guidelines where one would chose the glide over the torqueflite? This will be a fun track car that will bracket race 6 times a year.



The best way for me to respond is to post the history of developing my current setup with a Torqueflite to give you an idea of what to look for. So here goes.
First, I like the harder launch of a three speed.
First combo- 106 wheelbase, 17 inch engine setback, 30 inch ladderbars, full 2x3 frame/tube cage, 50/50 weight distribution, 66 inch long wheeliebars, 499 cubes, 725 hp,9.30s at 143 mph.
At this point the car started to have troubles with consistant 60 fts. To help solve this problem I put in an anti roll, good double adjustable shocks, and the biggest tires I could fit, for a trap rpm that matched the shift points. The 60 foots were much more consistent, but the wheelstands were so violent I was loosing consistancy by unloading the rear tires, and often not going straight on the launch.
At this time I also went to a 528 cube, 440-1 head alky injected motor. The car responded with 1.27 to 1.29 60 fts, 8.80 ETs, and the same issues with wheel stands and inconsistency. I was advised by some smart racers to put some weight up front, and made an extreme move to 53 percent on the front. I had the corner weights set, and the car responded with VERY consistant 60 fts, and if they were off, it showed 330 numbers that were spot on. (The 60 foots are now 1.248 to 1.2500 on a good air day) The reason is the car still pulls the front as high as I will allow, and the landing and where the car rebounds can change where the 60 ft clocks trip. (tires, or front valance)
Looking back over the last several outings the car has repeated within .002 to .005 on every 1/4 mile pass on the same day.
This is obviously on a well prepped track, so keep that in mind if you plan on serious bracket racing on a marginally prepped track. In that case, the glide will definitely have an edge, although I am not sure how much. Good luck on your choice. No choice is correct, just what you want to run for your own reasons. Myself, I like an exciting ride, and the ability to show the nay Sayers that a Flite can be very consistant!


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Re: 727 or Power glide???? [Re: Dodgem] #1369690
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Helical cut gears...Bottom right on page 22

http://www.aandatrans.com/images/2010_Web_Catalog.pdf

stock gears are
2.45/1.45/ 1 to 1



I just talked to Rob at A&A about the helical cut 2.28 ratio gears. (since the $2,000 straight cut are not in my budget).
He thinks they are fine for my 750hp (estimate), and the 4-pinion version is only $725 (p/n 22753H4AT). And under 1000 hp might be OK.

I am seriously thinking about this for my car.
3250 race weight, 1.27 sixty foot, 9.20's ET, 511 CID wedge.
I am marginal with my chassis, and this might calm things down just enough to work with old tires and marginal tracks. My chassis is fine with newer tires and good tracks.


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Re: 727 or Power glide???? [Re: mercman1] #1369691
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You are a perfect candidate for a glide. If you do, remember converter selection can make all the difference especially with the glide.

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I like the ride too, and enjoy the 3 speed. Has it cost me a round or two? Yes. I've driven many cars for other people too and the glide equipped cars still haul azz but the 3 speed is nice and I like it.


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Re: 727 or Power glide???? [Re: Guitar Jones] #1369693
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Depends on what you are doing with the car. If you are an ET chaser then by all means go with a 3 speed. Wheelspeed is where it's at to go fast. Now if you are index or bracket racing then by all means get a glide. One less variable in the equation. Lots of misconceptions about running a glide, the biggest one I hear is about weight. I ran my 3470lb Valiant with a glide and had zero issues. But it only went 9.0's on motor.

FWIW we went 8.80's(8.77 best)with the big tire car with a 572" hemi at 3000lbs with no transmission issues. The wedge motor has proven to be less kind to them


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Turbo 400 with a 2.10 first gear.There is a company that makes a transbreak valveboby that you can leave in 2nd off the break. Here is a vid of a car with a 2.10 first gear.This car also has the 2nd gear leave setup in it. Its the green with blue front end.2nd vid is a stock 400 gearset.

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I run a Rossler TH210XHD in the heads up car...


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Re: 727 or Power glide???? [Re: Al_Alguire] #1369696
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I run a Rossler TH210XHD in the heads up car...





I think grinner is the one who makes the transbreak that you can leave off the break in 2nd

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Re: 727 or Power glide???? [Re: mercman1] #1369697
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Need more information, tire size, rear suspension, rear gear ratio and how fast the car went before and with what size, hp, C.I. and type motor Lots of variables out there, lots of good coices also, some bad choices out there also


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Re: 727 or Power glide???? [Re: 440Jim] #1369698
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Helical cut gears...Bottom right on page 22

http://www.aandatrans.com/images/2010_Web_Catalog.pdf

stock gears are
2.45/1.45/ 1 to 1



I just talked to Rob at A&A about the helical cut 2.28 ratio gears. (since the $2,000 straight cut are not in my budget).
He thinks they are fine for my 750hp (estimate), and the 4-pinion version is only $725 (p/n 22753H4AT). And under 1000 hp might be OK.

I am seriously thinking about this for my car.
3250 race weight, 1.27 sixty foot, 9.20's ET, 511 CID wedge.
I am marginal with my chassis, and this might calm things down just enough to work with old tires and marginal tracks. My chassis is fine with newer tires and good tracks.




Jim, you want to win bracket races on marginal tracks?

Put a GLIDE in it!

Sure you already know that but just sayin.




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Re: 727 or Power glide???? [Re: moparacer] #1369699
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you just might go faster with a glide.

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Car is currently at 2880lbs. Race weight should be about 3050. Engine is a 535 inch Hemi with ported stage V heads. This engine went 9.63 at 138mph @ 3800 lbs in the last car it was in.



A quick estimate at 3050 lbs is it should run 8.90, 150 mph.

John Cope at CRT could put a 727 together for you:
1) 727-5 ProRace Reverse Manual Shift ~$2k with aftermarket front drum
2) 727-7 Super Pro Trans Brake ~$2,800 with aftermarket front drum

An ATI 1.76 Super Set "Pro Glide" Powerglide is ~$2,800 with their super case (SFI). Then you need to add the cost of the adapter (bolt pattern, flexplate, crank) for a Mopar.

So the cost looks about the same, and perhaps less for the Torqueflite 727, especially if you don't need a transbrake.

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Car is currently at 2880lbs. Race weight should be about 3050. Engine is a 535 inch Hemi with ported stage V heads. This engine went 9.63 at 138mph @ 3800 lbs in the last car it was in.



A quick estimate at 3050 lbs is it should run 8.90, 150 mph.

John Cope at CRT could put a 727 together for you:
1) 727-5 ProRace Reverse Manual Shift ~$2k with aftermarket front drum



2) 727-7 Super Pro Trans Brake ~$2,800 with aftermarket front drum

An ATI 1.76 Super Set "Pro Glide" Powerglide is ~$2,800 with their super case (SFI). Then you need to add the cost of the adapter (bolt pattern, flexplate, crank) for Mopar.

So the cost looks about the same, and perhaps less for the Torqueflite 727, especially if you don't need a transbrake.





That sounds about right, and dont forget you have to change or adapt you shifter and change converters, but if you already have 727 stuff you can sell you can minimize the costs. Just depends what you want to do, decisions, decisions.

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my glide has zero aftermarket upgrades other than a transbrake.
still using only 5 disc drum and gear set 1.76.
it's had well over 200 trouble mid eight second free passes at 155 plus
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If your thinking of switch to a glide for cost savings its not there. I switched over to a glide last winter and it will cost you as much as a well prepaired 727. When taking into concederation a good gear set, converter, driveshaft, shifter, mount, flex plate ect. We did it for bracket racing consistency and marginal starting lines. If your car is used for both street/strip I would stay with the 727 it a lot more fun. Glides = boring

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my glide has zero aftermarket upgrades other than a transbrake.
still using only 5 disc drum and gear set 1.76.
it's had well over 200 trouble mid eight second free passes at 155 plus
in my Duster




200 passes for a lot of us is done in one season and isn't enough, no offense but at that level on the stock planet set after 200 passes is borrowed time. Although, I know people that continue to just use the 1.76 at the levels you are at and just replace it every couple of seasons, you can replace a few before you pay for an aftermarket set.
You are correct the right stock stuff will last pretty good, but if you want something to last a thousand runs or more at a minumum then you need some upgrades. Straight cut planetary, 300M turbo input, steel clutch hub, and billet servo will usually do it. I like to run 6 discs cause its and easy and cheap stock drum upgrade with thick clutches.

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my glide has zero aftermarket upgrades other than a transbrake.
still using only 5 disc drum and gear set 1.76.
it's had well over 200 trouble mid eight second free passes at 155 plus
in my Duster




200 passes for a lot of us is done in one season and isn't enough, no offense but at that level on the stock planet set after 200 passes is borrowed time. Although, I know people that continue to just use the 1.76 at the levels you are at and just replace it every couple of seasons, you can replace a few before you pay for an aftermarket set.
You are correct the right stock stuff will last pretty good, but if you want something to last a thousand runs or more at a minumum then you need some upgrades. Straight cut planetary, 300M turbo input, steel clutch hub, and billet servo will usually do it. I like to run 6 discs cause its and easy and cheap stock drum upgrade with thick clutches.





I agree 110% with Fred. I broke a 1.82 stock gearset after 200 passes. I also broke an after market set after 150 passes. I have been beating on a set of stock 1.76 gears for so long I wouldn't want to know how many passes I have on them. All I can say is I am on my third race car with the same set of stock 1.76 gears. They all have been in cars running 8.48-10.30 in the quarter. My Friend is on his second set of straight cut 1.80's after the first set broke after 100 runs. I pay 150-200 dollars to have my powerglides built buy a Friend and after several years of racing we tear it down to check things out and replace the seals. No need for FANCY stuff when its not needed.


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I neglected to give the full info in that the 200 passes were since the last inspection .At that time only one disc was replaced but still had much life left.
This trans is the same one since 1997 when I bought the car. God only knows how many passes it has seen which were 6,000 launches


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my glide has zero aftermarket upgrades other than a transbrake.
still using only 5 disc drum and gear set 1.76.
it's had well over 200 trouble mid eight second free passes at 155 plus
in my Duster




Yea you dont have to spend big bucks on a glide to make it hold up to 700-800 hp.

Hardened input, steel clutch hub, deep pan and a valve body and dual ring servo are all you need for a typical setup.

I ran 7s in my dragster with nothing more then these parts with a stock case for years. Not to mention that stock case is in my dart now.

I do recommend a aftermarket gear set if you are running a heavier car and launching with a trans brake.

That adds another 700 to the equation.

You guys that are worried about cost dont forget you can sell the hand grenade leg maiming 727 and converter you take out and recoup some.

Once you bracket race with a glide you wont ever want a 3 speed again....




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Re: 727 or Power glide???? [Re: moparacer] #1369708
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Right now I have nothing between the Hemi and the Dana so I have to buy a converter, trans, shifter and driveshaft. I'm just finishing the tubular front end with a rack and Wilwood brakes. The Hemi is in the car just got to make things like headers, oil pump, oil lines all clear. Trying to line everything up so when the car comes out of the body shop I'm ready to assemble for the final time. Looks like I'm going powerglide with an after market case and tail shaft so I wont need a shield or blanket. Thanks for all the input.

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people can slam the PG all they want but they work. i know when we were kids we hated them and tried to eradicate the species.

the simple fact is that the PG probably wins more rounds of competition than all other transmissions combined...they may be "boring" but not as boring as watching from the stands 2¢

Re: 727 or Power glide???? [Re: mercman1] #1369710
01/21/13 01:12 AM
01/21/13 01:12 AM
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Las Vegas
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Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 19,398
Las Vegas
Once again I will repeat what I sais earleir. If you are an ET chaser and can work with the extra SLR you get from the TF then go for it. If you want to turn on win ights in .90, Index or brackets IMO the best choice is a glide. If you have a power adder car or one with big torque you are quite likely to go faster with the glide..Just my


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