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Re: Indy or Shady Dell?
[Re: J_BODY]
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01/08/13 12:03 PM
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Hind sight is 20/20 Steve. As James noted, the only "craftsmanship" issues I possibly had was the cracking around the guides, and like I stated before, it was either an assembly error, or trying to press a guide into material that resembled a fortune cookie. I cannot make that call....machinist im not....and would you be happy sending your head to a "professional" for a repair and the epoxy comes out after 150 passes?? Once again...I'm not an expert in this field, that's why I rely on people "in the know" to handle these situations. Perhaps it wasn't made clear to me that the epoxy repair was a "maybe it will work, maybe it won't" deal. These were the supposed "good" blue core plug heads. I had another set of W5's, but sold them in anticipation of the Ebrock super victor head. Those heads seemed to have a better visual finish, but at that point I'd had enough of MP heads. We ran Stage VI's on my big block.....I'm a glutton for punishment I guess. We actually were building a W2 mill, but those had some cracks in them (quite common from what i've seen) and I went with the W5 under the guise that "aluminum heads are repairable". Live and learn.
9.87 was run at Oahe Speedway Jim...
The alum heads are repairable to a certain extent
but the W-5s were basically so bad with porosity its
hard to weld when you run into dirt in the castings...
I have had 2 sets of W-5s and the first(old castings)
had holes in them when I got them...being that I
worked at Chrysler Engineering I talked to the rep
at a car show and he said he would swap them out...
and when I showed him them he said.... keep them and
gave me the new castings... I started playing with
port work on them to get the numbers up and then I
sold them to Vic on here so he could play with them...
Ryan did a real nice job of hand porting my W-9s and
they flowed the same as my Chapman CNC set of W-9s
(I flowed both sets at work on the same bench).
I've had bad luck on different companies on different
work and now I go to a local company called St Clair
Engine and Sean has taken good care of my junk
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Re: Indy or Shady Dell?
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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01/08/13 12:30 PM
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St.Louis, Mo.
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Well I think my position on the subject has been well documented over the years so I wont rehash it. But if it were me like mokid said I would be looking elswhere. Mopar guys sure get hung up on using "mopar only" shops. There are plenty of compitent shops out there that can do the work. Afterall .0001" is .0001" whether it is Ford Chvy or Mopar. A good machinist ot head guy is a good machinist or head guy period. The fact some here are poo pooing a $30K all out effort does not surprise me either. Some just have no idea what it costs to actually build an all out effort.
Thanks Bro for that, We are currently on a up grade rebuild new rod,pistons,lifters, and the shop doing work does mostly chevy race motors in fact he said my motor is more like a chevy then mopar, chevy crank, chevy rods, ford firing order, oh buy the way this shop fixed all the screw ups that one of the noted builders from PA did.
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Re: Indy or Shady Dell?
[Re: mokid]
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01/08/13 12:57 PM
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Well I think my position on the subject has been well documented over the years so I wont rehash it. But if it were me like mokid said I would be looking elswhere. Mopar guys sure get hung up on using "mopar only" shops. There are plenty of compitent shops out there that can do the work. Afterall .0001" is .0001" whether it is Ford Chvy or Mopar. A good machinist ot head guy is a good machinist or head guy period. The fact some here are poo pooing a $30K all out effort does not surprise me either. Some just have no idea what it costs to actually build an all out effort.
Thanks Bro for that, We are currently on a up grade rebuild new rod,pistons,lifters, and the shop doing work does mostly chevy race motors in fact he said my motor is more like a chevy then mopar, chevy crank, chevy rods, ford firing order, oh buy the way this shop fixed all the screw ups that one of the noted builders from PA did.
Been there, done that,,I have a local guy that does all my work now and he is also well versed in the GM stuff, but he also has a BB mopar customer that is sitting on a NHRA stock class record as we speak, so he knows his Mopars too and how they work, plus he has pulled my but out of a jam on several occations with my present motor and got it straightened up. 
Light travels faster than the speed of sound,,,this is why some people seem bright untill you hear them speak.
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Re: Indy or Shady Dell?
[Re: dartman366]
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01/08/13 01:45 PM
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Las Vegas
Al_Alguire
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Well FWIW both my engines has HAND ported heads. The B1's and Pro Stock peices are both hand ported and seem to make pretty good power..
As for engine builders I have pimped my guy here many times. I have a 1050hp b1 that works like a xerox machine and he is NOT a Mopar engine guy. But he does build some of the fastest cars out in this part of the country. Also this little shop in Phoenix called RWR has a pretty good reputation.....
"I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know."
"It's never wrong to do the right thing"
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Re: Indy or Shady Dell?
[Re: mokid]
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01/08/13 03:24 PM
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O'Fallon,IL.
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Well I think my position on the subject has been well documented over the years so I wont rehash it. But if it were me like mokid said I would be looking elswhere. Mopar guys sure get hung up on using "mopar only" shops. There are plenty of compitent shops out there that can do the work. Afterall .0001" is .0001" whether it is Ford Chvy or Mopar. A good machinist ot head guy is a good machinist or head guy period. The fact some here are poo pooing a $30K all out effort does not surprise me either. Some just have no idea what it costs to actually build an all out effort.
Thanks Bro for that, We are currently on a up grade rebuild new rod,pistons,lifters, and the shop doing work does mostly chevy race motors in fact he said my motor is more like a chevy then mopar, chevy crank, chevy rods, ford firing order, oh buy the way this shop fixed all the screw ups that one of the noted builders from PA did.
Chris and Al,
You are both dead on. Chris and I are both using the same builder. I couldn't be happier. 
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Re: Indy or Shady Dell?
[Re: moparguy7074]
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01/10/13 04:51 AM
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Las Vegas, NV
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I have a question, why is a cnc port job better than a hand port job? 
It really depends on who's doing the work. A hand ported set of heads can work around core shift and other inconsistencies in the head if the person handling the grinder is any good. At the same time, if the CNC program is a good one (NOT Patriot performance.. Is it bad to name names??) then the result is a set of heads that flow very very well much quicker than a comparable set of hand ported heads. When it comes right down to it though, for max effort, I think hand porting is the way to go. After all, the CNC port is just a copy of a hand ported port.
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Re: Indy or Shady Dell?
[Re: dodgeboy11]
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01/12/13 08:26 AM
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I have a question, why is a cnc port job better than a hand port job?
It really depends on who's doing the work. A hand ported set of heads can work around core shift and other inconsistencies in the head if the person handling the grinder is any good. At the same time, if the CNC program is a good one (NOT Patriot performance.. Is it bad to name names??) then the result is a set of heads that flow very very well much quicker than a comparable set of hand ported heads. When it comes right down to it though, for max effort, I think hand porting is the way to go. After all, the CNC port is just a copy of a hand ported port.
With that said who would one recommend for an good cnc program for the s/b,BB heads 
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Re: Indy or Shady Dell?
[Re: racerx]
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01/12/13 09:54 AM
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I have a question, why is a cnc port job better than a hand port job?
It really depends on who's doing the work. A hand ported set of heads can work around core shift and other inconsistencies in the head if the person handling the grinder is any good. At the same time, if the CNC program is a good one (NOT Patriot performance.. Is it bad to name names??) then the result is a set of heads that flow very very well much quicker than a comparable set of hand ported heads. When it comes right down to it though, for max effort, I think hand porting is the way to go. After all, the CNC port is just a copy of a hand ported port.
With that said who would one recommend for an good cnc program for the s/b,BB heads
the what?
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Re: Indy or Shady Dell?
[Re: joshking440]
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01/13/13 10:28 PM
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I have a question, why is a cnc port job better than a hand port job?
It really depends on who's doing the work. A hand ported set of heads can work around core shift and other inconsistencies in the head if the person handling the grinder is any good. At the same time, if the CNC program is a good one (NOT Patriot performance.. Is it bad to name names??) then the result is a set of heads that flow very very well much quicker than a comparable set of hand ported heads. When it comes right down to it though, for max effort, I think hand porting is the way to go. After all, the CNC port is just a copy of a hand ported port.
With that said who would one recommend for an good cnc program for the s/b,BB heads
the what?
Who has an nice cnc program for the sb/bb heads?
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Re: Indy or Shady Dell?
[Re: 1967dartgt]
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01/14/13 07:56 AM
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I have a question, why is a cnc port job better than a hand port job?
It really depends on who's doing the work. A hand ported set of heads can work around core shift and other inconsistencies in the head if the person handling the grinder is any good. At the same time, if the CNC program is a good one (NOT Patriot performance.. Is it bad to name names??) then the result is a set of heads that flow very very well much quicker than a comparable set of hand ported heads. When it comes right down to it though, for max effort, I think hand porting is the way to go. After all, the CNC port is just a copy of a hand ported port.
With that said who would one recommend for an good cnc program for the s/b,BB heads
the what?
Who has an nice cnc program for the sb/bb heads?
Which small block head and which bb head? There are a lot of heads out there and not one shop will have all those different cnc programs.
Sorry -1s never mind on the s/b heads.
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Re: Indy or Shady Dell?
[Re: 1967dartgt]
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01/14/13 09:19 PM
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I have a question, why is a cnc port job better than a hand port job?
It really depends on who's doing the work. A hand ported set of heads can work around core shift and other inconsistencies in the head if the person handling the grinder is any good. At the same time, if the CNC program is a good one (NOT Patriot performance.. Is it bad to name names??) then the result is a set of heads that flow very very well much quicker than a comparable set of hand ported heads. When it comes right down to it though, for max effort, I think hand porting is the way to go. After all, the CNC port is just a copy of a hand ported port.
With that said who would one recommend for an good cnc program for the s/b,BB heads
the what?
Who has an nice cnc program for the sb/bb heads?
Which small block head and which bb head? There are a lot of heads out there and not one shop will have all those different cnc programs.
Sorry -1s never mind on the s/b heads.
Slawko for big blocks
Thaxs do they have an website,contact#?
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