Re: new best for the "land yacht"
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Good and bad story............I assume you squeeze this thing?
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Re: new best for the "land yacht"
[Re: Crizila]
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01/06/13 11:18 PM
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Ran a 10.50 @ 120.77 at Speedworld on Saturday. Yes, only 120. 1.44 60 foot. Lost 2 plugs in high gear when the ground straps melted off. Damage accessment to follow.
Hopefully you got lucky. My 340 always got a piston or a head gasket. Since I reduced my timing (1991) to 30 total it 's never hurt itself again at12lbs boost. Doug
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Re: new best for the "land yacht"
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01/07/13 07:17 PM
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Go to the race plugs first off. Start with a plug on the colder side and go from there. Does not look to bad do as fastmop suggests and get after it.
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Re: new best for the "land yacht"
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01/07/13 09:12 PM
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I'd do a compression check. If its good then go a range colder on the plugs, back the timing back five to seven degrees and depending on A/F fattin it up a couple jets and try again. Once its dialed in for hi boost it's time to play!
Ya,all the above. Just ran a comp test and all appears good (within 2 lbs from previous test on all holes ). Valve train all looks good, including lash. Attached pic of plugs - NGK ZFR5F. Two burned ones were in holes 4 & 5. I'm open for suggestions on plugs? Could go a few steps colder - or maybe something that isn't an extended core? Already 5 sizes bigger on the jets all around - as I received the blower carb from ProSystems ( annular discharge 950 ). I could use some help with plug selection ( 408 blower motor with ported Magnums ).
Ah,Lucky. I think 25lbs might work intercooled. Would need less timing, 22-25? The super rich part I'm not convinced. Just as running a nitrous motor,way rich usually spells trouble. I've found 11.8-12.0 to work well. Mine always hurt #5. Doug
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Re: new best for the "land yacht"
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01/07/13 11:24 PM
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Glad you didn't hurt it. I was doing some dyno testing, and mine wasn't happy beyond 21° of timing at 18 psi of boost. I'm running 9.5:1 compression.
Oh, and GREAT TIME TOO!!!
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Re: new best for the "land yacht"
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01/07/13 11:37 PM
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Put the biggest nozzle in the meth inj. Run a ngk 5671-9 or 10 and let her rip. 11.8-12.0 is a good afr to shoot for on a blower motor.
Last edited by 1967DartGT; 01/07/13 11:39 PM.
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Re: new best for the "land yacht"
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01/08/13 02:19 AM
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I'm suprised you didn't hurt it worst than you did with that hot of a spark plug your lucky iit only burnt the ground straps off I would go to a non protruded gap and a #9 or#10 as already suggested. The last blower motor I work on dyno testing was a 484 C.I. 426 Street Hemi, it liked 33 degrees with 7 lbs of boost using a 10:71 Littlefield roots, no intercooler, running 12 % under on CA pump gas, that combination made 927 HP at 7300 RPM after doing a lot of small changes on it to sneak up on what it wanted. We got greedy (the owner wanted more) and switched the pulleys around to make it have 13% overdrive, switch it to race gas, back the timing down to 25 degrees total and made another pull, it started into detonation slightly at 6500 RPM and still made 1027 HP at 6500 RPM (we pulled it to 7500 RPM on all the pulls except the last one) I moved the timing up to 28 degrees total and ended up aborting the run wjhen it started to go into detonation again Luckily it didn't hurt it I switch the pulleys back and told him when you get it to hook up with the pump gas combination call me and we would hop it up again,I never got that call My meassage is back that baby down some to be safe and then sneak up on it Maybe some day, if I ever when the lottery or my ship comes in, I'll try a compressor on some of my own junk, twin hair dryers with intercooling and EFI
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Re: new best for the "land yacht"
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01/08/13 09:30 AM
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By switching from a msd digital 6 to a digital 7 (7531) got rid of top end miss fire and the ability to run the largest nozzle snow makes. Was able to add more timing and went from a best of 10.02 to 9.46.
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Re: new best for the "land yacht"
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01/08/13 11:52 AM
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I'm suprised you didn't hurt it worst than you did with that hot of a spark plug your lucky iit only burnt the ground straps off I would go to a non protruded gap and a #9 or#10 as already suggested. The last blower motor I work on dyno testing was a 484 C.I. 426 Street Hemi, it liked 33 degrees with 7 lbs of boost using a 10:71 Littlefield roots, no intercooler, running 12 % under on CA pump gas, that combination made 927 HP at 7300 RPM after doing a lot of small changes on it to sneak up on what it wanted. We got greedy (the owner wanted more) and switched the pulleys around to make it have 13% overdrive, switch it to race gas, back the timing down to 25 degrees total and made another pull, it started into detonation slightly at 6500 RPM and still made 1027 HP at 6500 RPM (we pulled it to 7500 RPM on all the pulls except the last one) I moved the timing up to 28 degrees total and ended up aborting the run wjhen it started to go into detonation again Luckily it didn't hurt it I switch the pulleys back and told him when you get it to hook up with the pump gas combination call me and we would hop it up again,I never got that call My meassage is back that baby down some to be safe and then sneak up on it Maybe some day, if I ever when the lottery or my ship comes in, I'll try a compressor on some of my own junk, twin hair dryers with intercooling and EFI
As always, thanks for the info Cab. Definitely making a plug change and going back to the 4" blower pulley ( from the 3.7" ) until I can get a handle on it.
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Re: new best for the "land yacht"
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01/08/13 12:15 PM
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Thats a good looking boat you have... and runs well... hopefully its got 2 straps stuck in a couple of pistons and didnt hurt it
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Re: new best for the "land yacht"
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01/08/13 09:34 PM
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We run a -9 with 15-16psi and 8.8 static compression. 406 cu in small block.
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