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If people are already creating the fake paperwork, then the idea of secrecy as a deterrent is a failure.

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Nope, you've missed the point; just because they are being made doesn't mean they're perfect and the more people share how to make them as close to perfect as possible, the better the fakes will get and the more innocent people will get scammed.

secrecy may not deter people from making fakes, but at least the fakes are usually flawed and detectable.

My advice is to stay here, learn and listen and get to know who's who. When you have a question, post it clearly stating the reason you want the info and someone will probably PM you the answer.

If the question was asked in a different manner; i.e. what number should there be on my valve cover?, I'm sure it would have been answered within a couple of posts.


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I think the so called experts would serve the Mopar family better by educating someone new to Mopars on how to spot red flags and fake fender tags.

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Easy; post a tag pic for any car you are interested in purchasing and the guys here will tell you if it is a fake or not....and there isn't even a fee!

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FWIW

There are at least six different 3 digit ENG assembly numbers (actually 7 digit) for the '69 383 engine in a Road Runner.

1 - you didn't provide enough information for the correct answer
2 - the number is on the fender tag of a Lynch Rd. Detroit, MI assembled Road Runner (Do you have a fender tag? Where was your RR built?)
3 - the number is on the broadcast sheet (Do you have a broadcast sheet?)

Since there is usually not a lot of help offered to invent a broadcast sheet or fender tag, you probably will NOT receive a serious answer.

FAIR ENOUGH??

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I am not trying to invent a fender tag or a broadcast sheet. I don't think that my 383 4 speed car with few options will be any threat to the value of anyone's car collection. We are just attempting to detail the car to the extreme as an example of what can be accomplished. This is just the standard fun to drive car that has more money in it than it could ever be worth, like other true Mopar people. I can still hold on to the hope that someone will help like I help others. Thanks for the warning anyways!

My original fender tag has E63 on it and it was built in LA California. What other info is needed?

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BTW......Trivia: what are those three numbers from?

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If you have a '69 383, 4-speed with A/C road runner you should have 897 on the right "torquoise" valve cover in white.

897 - 383 4BBL, manual transmission, A/C, 330hp, Turquoise (925 for a '69 383 335hp 4-spd WITHOUT A/C orange)


899 is on an automatic as here on this survivor '69 383 Super Bee with A/C. (926 for a '69 383 335hp automatic WITHOUT A/C orange)

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I have read posted questions about items that are being restored and the comments were not to worry about it or some comment about the person being "one of those perfect restoration guys" that they will never understand. I tried to bypass those answers by asking a simpler question. The result was just as bad. The truth is, it doesn't matter how you ask.

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I disagree; the truth is that it DOES matter how you ask. As for the rest, yes you will get those responses from some people here....ignore them, they aren't the ones with the knowledge to answer your question anyway.

This isn't a place for the meek or the easily offended. Not saying that's right or wrong, but it is the way it is. If you are honest and polite, you will find that you will get answers to most of your questions and, over time, you will know who's opinions to trust.

I am not a Mopar expert by any means, though I have done research related to my particular car which I happily share when I can, but I have been here long enough that I know dozens of members, who they are, what they are like and what they know. If I need to know something I know who to ask or, in the case of a general posting, who's advice/info is most likely to be correct.

Moparts isn't a gentle "feel good" place all the time, but it will surprise you on occasion....and it is the largest Mopar website in the world with a great many knowledgeable and helpful members if you perservere. I can't imagine how much more difficult my restoration would have been without the help of the membership here, and I've made some friends (I think! ) at the same time.


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This isn't a place for the meek or the easily offended. Not saying that's right or wrong, but it is the way it is. If you are honest and polite, you will find that you will get answers to most of your questions and, over time, you will know who's opinions to trust.

I am not a Mopar expert by any means, though I have done research related to my particular car which I happily share when I can, but I have been here long enough that I know dozens of members, who they are, what they are like and what they know. If I need to know something I know who to ask or, in the case of a general posting, who's advice/info is most likely to be correct.

Moparts isn't a gentle "feel good" place all the time, but it will surprise you on occasion....and it is the largest Mopar website in the world with a great many knowledgeable and helpful members if you perservere. I can't imagine how much more difficult my restoration would have been without the help of the membership here, and I've made some friends (I think! ) at the same time.

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Well said and nice perspective. This is why you are one of the best posters.


"This isn't a place for the meek or the easily offended." Ya think????

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BTW, that 3 digit number is on a Lynch Rd. fendertag (123 in the case of my '70 440-6 auto car).

To see a list of the numbers go here;

http://www.andy440.com/tag2.htm

Dave

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This isn't a place for the meek or the easily offended. Not saying that's right or wrong, but it is the way it is. If you are honest and polite, you will find that you will get answers to most of your questions and, over time, you will know who's opinions to trust.

I am not a Mopar expert by any means, though I have done research related to my particular car which I happily share when I can, but I have been here long enough that I know dozens of members, who they are, what they are like and what they know. If I need to know something I know who to ask or, in the case of a general posting, who's advice/info is most likely to be correct.

Moparts isn't a gentle "feel good" place all the time, but it will surprise you on occasion....and it is the largest Mopar website in the world with a great many knowledgeable and helpful members if you perservere. I can't imagine how much more difficult my restoration would have been without the help of the membership here, and I've made some friends (I think! ) at the same time.

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Well said and nice perspective. This is why you are one of the best posters.


"This isn't a place for the meek or the easily offended." Ya think????

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BTW, that 3 digit number is on a Lynch Rd. fendertag (123 in the case of my '70 440-6 auto car).

To see a list of the numbers go here;

http://www.andy440.com/tag2.htm

Dave

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There is some great information on that page, thanks.
Would anyone have a picture of original marked valve covers from both sides for a 925 or 926 engine assembly, and the trans code, 0 or 5,for the drivers cover?

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this is off of a 5600 mile A12 440 but it's was probably put there by one of the same workers at the Trenton engine plant that would have done the same to a 383

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There is some great information on that page, thanks.
Would anyone have a picture of original marked valve covers from both sides for a 925 or 926 engine assembly, and the trans code, 0 or 5,for the drivers cover?

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I thought I did around here somewhere, but I just looked through all my pics and can't find it! sorry.

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BTW, that 3 digit number is on a Lynch Rd. fendertag (123 in the case of my '70 440-6 auto car).

To see a list of the numbers go here;

http://www.andy440.com/tag2.htm

Dave

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There is some great information on that page, thanks.
Would anyone have a picture of original marked valve covers from both sides for a 925 or 926 engine assembly, and the trans code, 0 or 5,for the drivers cover?

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this is off of a 5600 mile A12 440 but it's was probably put there by one of the same workers at the Trenton engine plant that would have done the same to a 383

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