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Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes? [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #1345744
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I've owned 2 '69RRs with the hood stripes: an dead-original F8 car and an R4 car. Both cars had black hood-stripe overspray OVER the body color at the fender edges, and the edges of the stripes were higher than the body color, which tells me the stripes went on after/over the color. Both were St. Louis cars, built a few months apart. The F8 was a Spring Special car (side stripes, etc), but the R4 was not.
Given the pace of an assembly line, it seems logical to me that cars with painted stripes would be diverted to a sub-station to get them, but I have no proof or firsthand knowledge of that.

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this question came up years ago on moparts and i believed they were put on first-i lost- they were put on after the body color. someone posted a pic of a sunfire yellow hood that you saw the yellow under the black.
the st louis cars is interesting because they didn`t paint the blackouts on the rear of a charger in organosol so maybe st louis didn`t have organosol and therefore could put the black stripes on after the body color.(organosol would fry the enamel-real quick).
lets see some pics with assembly plant reference-there could be two proceedures here-anyone got the factory detail drawing that outlines the use of organosol on road runner hoods?
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Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes? [Re: MMC Detroit] #1345747
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Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes? [Re: MMC Detroit] #1345750
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Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes? [Re: MMC Detroit] #1345751
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Great stuff and Demon's theory of baking the enamel explains how the lacquer could be sprayed over it. There is no getting away from the overspray fact on so many original paint cars either.

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Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes? [Re: MMC Detroit] #1345752
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There isn't any way with this 70 green runner that the stripes were put on first. What a pic!

I have painted cars for 40 years. There isn't any problem shooting laquer over enamel if it is sprayed lightly like a stripe. As you can see in the pic that stripe is a one pass shoot.

So... I would love to see one example of an original car with masked off hood stripes. Anyone got a pic?


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Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes? [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #1345753
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Mike, I think Dave's pics were to show the evidence that the body color was applied first.

I have a theory... the cowl vents/grille slits may have played a role in the order.
By painting the body color first, any of the organisol overspray that may have bled through underneath the grille openings would land on body color that could be easily polished off. Also, because the Organisol was lacquer, it's overspray dries much quicker and wouldn't adhere as much, if at all.

The general rule of thumb with stripes or 2-tones is that they'd spray them first as they were the smallest area to mask, thereby using the least amount of time & materials. Apparently in this case they had another reason.

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The general rule of thumb with stripes or 2-tones is that they'd spray them first as they were the smallest area to mask, thereby using the least amount of time & materials. Apparently in this case they had another reason.




Rick I would think on a '69 rr/GTX the body color painted part of the center of the hood and the a fender tops would require less masking then the hood stripe area. All that would be needed (no expert) would be center masking and fender masking of the body paint at the outer stipe edge and drapped over the fender. Windshield would be the same no matter which way it was done.

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Nobody has mentioned the obvious yet, which is: with the rough texture of the organosol, it would be nearly impossible to spray a body color over and look right without MAJOR sanding. Being careful at the same time not to sand into the stripe that stays black.

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Nobody has mentioned the obvious yet, which is: with the rough texture of the organosol, it would be nearly impossible to spray a body color over and look right without MAJOR sanding. Being careful at the same time not to sand into the stripe that stays black.



without trying to start another great debate over Organosol, I have owned, or do currently own several cars with factory original Organosol paint, and it was not rough like so many restored cars have it. Basically it was metallic flat black. The paints now have a suede additive that makes it gritty. It was not like that back in 69.
Now dashboards and columns on the other hand were gritty, to make it soft appearing for the interior,except some A bodies that just had flat paint on the dash for some unknown reason.

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The general rule of thumb with stripes or 2-tones is that they'd spray them first as they were the smallest area to mask, thereby using the least amount of time & materials. Apparently in this case they had another reason.




Rick I would think on a '69 rr/GTX the body color painted part of the center of the hood and the a fender tops would require less masking then the hood stripe area. All that would be needed (no expert) would be center masking and fender masking of the body paint at the outer stipe edge and drapped over the fender. Windshield would be the same no matter which way it was done.




I guess it depends if they'd have the need to cover the rest of the car... maybe not in a industrial ventilation setting.

I've been sick all week, so my reasoning skills seem to be a bit off.. lol


As for the other post about painting over organisol... they did exactly that on AAR Cuda's and the edges of the areas such as 69 GTX lower sides.
I agree that the OEM texture of it wasn't nearly as aggressive as many believe. The aftermarket paints were typically too coarse or applied in too many coats building excessive texture.

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Nobody has mentioned the obvious yet, which is: with the rough texture of the organosol, it would be nearly impossible to spray a body color over and look right without MAJOR sanding. Being careful at the same time not to sand into the stripe that stays black.



without trying to start another great debate over Organosol, I have owned, or do currently own several cars with factory original Organosol paint, and it was not rough like so many restored cars have it. Basically it was metallic flat black. The paints now have a suede additive that makes it gritty. It was not like that back in 69.
Now dashboards and columns on the other hand were gritty, to make it soft appearing for the interior,except some A bodies that just had flat paint on the dash for some unknown reason.




we have the correct additive for organosol and it is not gritty at all.
looking at the pics of the original paint cars there was blowthrough in the underhood jam areas-the method would have been quicker than the stripe first approach because the masking of the stripe and having to open the hood to paint engine bay area would have been more time consuming.
all the best
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Well I went ahead and painted the stipes on a 69 runner I have been painting for a customer. I painted them after I painted the car. The results were amazing especially the over spray pattern created inside the engine compartment.

Until I find a factory bulletin or an example of an original car with stripes painted first I gotta say they were painted last.

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Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes? [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #1345760
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pics of the overspray in the engine bay areas?
all the best
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