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Re: PROCHARGER VS. TURBO [Re: Crizila] #1340098
11/24/12 11:43 AM 11/24/12 11:43 AM
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side ote, do yourself a big fat favor, instead of cobbling togther a braded fuel system w/ blue/purple and or red fittings go to any hydrolics shope and have them make it all for you. It will look 100% better and you will save $$$. Crizilla how much is that set-up?

For a small block. ProCharger kit was $6300. Fuel kit ( 1000HP pump )was $1084 ( add another $380 for lines). Had ProSystems modify my existing carb for blowthrough = $460.



WOW at those prices I'll be making my own system again.. that or 2 turbos
Re: PROCHARGER VS. TURBO [Re: HEMIFRED] #1340099
11/24/12 12:10 PM 11/24/12 12:10 PM
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blowers take 10% of your power to turn them . turbocharger uses none



Turbos aren't free horsepower either (the engine's efficiency goes down with them compared to N/A because of the exhaust restriction), but you lose less with them compared to a supercharger.

I can't fabricate for crap so I'll probably go the procharged route if I ever build another car. They both have drawbacks, but especially for a manual trans application the procharger makes more sense. Turbos are cheaper but when you get to the 6's like the cars Billy mentioned the cost advantage is thrown out the window, those things are incredibly expensive to build regardless of your choice of power adder.

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Re: PROCHARGER VS. TURBO [Re: Blusmbl] #1340100
11/24/12 02:05 PM 11/24/12 02:05 PM
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There is alot of trial and error building your own setup. I used a sawzall, Hobart 140 welder, and a BFH to build this in my driveway. I made alot of mistakes (like 90 deg mounting my wastegate) but it's all part of the fun. I plan on redoing my w/g this winter but all of my hotside is 2.5 so it should handle any power level I can afford. I am by no means a fabricator I built my whole setup with a 360 or 408 in mind for the future so it does have some lag but traction isn't and issue either....

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Re: PROCHARGER VS. TURBO [Re: SLOW67] #1340101
11/24/12 02:06 PM 11/24/12 02:06 PM
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Re: PROCHARGER VS. TURBO [Re: SLOW67] #1340102
11/24/12 02:08 PM 11/24/12 02:08 PM
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Re: PROCHARGER VS. TURBO [Re: SLOW67] #1340103
11/24/12 02:19 PM 11/24/12 02:19 PM
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WOW!!!!!!! LOTS of answers!!!!!!

So,I guess it comes down to what you really want and IF you can afford it!!!! LOL And from what ive learned,Ill be going the NOS way!!!!!! HAHA!!!

Re: PROCHARGER VS. TURBO [Re: bigtimeauto] #1340104
11/24/12 02:51 PM 11/24/12 02:51 PM
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Bigtime any more videos on your dart?I seen a few on youtude just wondering if theres any more out there..

Re: PROCHARGER VS. TURBO [Re: MIKES_DUSTER] #1340105
11/24/12 02:57 PM 11/24/12 02:57 PM
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for me costs were similar between a twin turbo build (with quality new turbos, waste gates, bov ect) and procharger for my 512", turbos make more power, boost control is undeniable and seat of pants feel seams cooler.... procharger takes up less space, no fab work, or oil feed/return lines to mess with, still sound cool

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00 Viper gts
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Re: PROCHARGER VS. TURBO [Re: racerx] #1340106
11/24/12 06:14 PM 11/24/12 06:14 PM
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Plymouth Meeting, PA
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Bigtime any more videos on your dart?I seen a few on youtude just wondering if theres any more out there..



http://www.youtube.com/user/bigtimeauto

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Re: PROCHARGER VS. TURBO [Re: bigtimeauto] #1340107
11/24/12 06:29 PM 11/24/12 06:29 PM
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Re: PROCHARGER VS. TURBO [Re: bigtimeauto] #1340108
11/24/12 06:39 PM 11/24/12 06:39 PM
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another i just found

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShPTKaIziBQ



your dart is hard core

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00 Viper gts
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03 Ferrari 360 spider
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Re: PROCHARGER VS. TURBO [Re: 00snake530] #1340109
11/24/12 06:41 PM 11/24/12 06:41 PM
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another i just found

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShPTKaIziBQ



your dart is hard core



thanks! we try

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Re: PROCHARGER VS. TURBO [Re: bigtimeauto] #1340110
11/24/12 07:52 PM 11/24/12 07:52 PM
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another i just found

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShPTKaIziBQ



your dart is hard core



thanks! we try

Nice

Re: PROCHARGER VS. TURBO [Re: racerx] #1340111
11/24/12 10:09 PM 11/24/12 10:09 PM
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Holly, MI
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Bigtime, how many cubes is your car?

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Re: PROCHARGER VS. TURBO [Re: JackGTX440] #1340112
11/24/12 10:58 PM 11/24/12 10:58 PM
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Bigtime, how many cubes is your car?



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Re: PROCHARGER VS. TURBO [Re: moparniac] #1340113
11/24/12 11:09 PM 11/24/12 11:09 PM
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You still have 440-1 on that killer?



blow thru , 440-1 out of the box and 22lbs of boost , no intercooler



then you post a pic of your setup with "out of the box" cnc 345's




I bought the heads and block from Best machine over 4 years ago. This is actually the engine that i had sold but put back in the car for josh's race
why do you post stuff like this? My hood was off almost all of the indy event for people to look and i was answering questions. If it will make you feel better a i will go outside and take the hood off and take a picture. you want me to go buy a newspaper to prove the date to?

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Re: PROCHARGER VS. TURBO [Re: Crizila] #1340114
11/24/12 11:18 PM 11/24/12 11:18 PM
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side ote, do yourself a big fat favor, instead of cobbling togther a braded fuel system w/ blue/purple and or red fittings go to any hydrolics shope and have them make it all for you. It will look 100% better and you will save $$$. Crizilla how much is that set-up?

For a small block. ProCharger kit was $6300. Fuel kit ( 1000HP pump )was $1084 ( add another $380 for lines). Had ProSystems modify my existing carb for blowthrough = $460.



got a brand new F-2 kit for a BB that ill sell ya for 5500.00
Re: PROCHARGER VS. TURBO [Re: bigtimeauto] #1340115
11/25/12 05:09 AM 11/25/12 05:09 AM
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You still have 440-1 on that killer?



blow thru , 440-1 out of the box and 22lbs of boost , no intercooler



then you post a pic of your setup with "out of the box" cnc 345's




I bought the heads and block from Best machine over 4 years ago. This is actually the engine that i had sold but put back in the car for josh's race
why do you post stuff like this? My hood was off almost all of the indy event for people to look and i was answering questions. If it will make you feel better a i will go outside and take the hood off and take a picture. you want me to go buy a newspaper to prove the date to?



was just razzin ya bobby not necessary I love how simple your stuff looks... but on a serious note does the run better with box stock vs the cnc? or is just depend on how much Sh!t your piling into that engine

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Re: PROCHARGER VS. TURBO [Re: moparniac] #1340116
11/25/12 12:25 PM 11/25/12 12:25 PM
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the heads were the first set of mopar heads i ever bought. My goal was to make 875 NA and i was told they would work, After i decided to procharge it all i did was change the cam, pistons make a 4150 intake adapter and that was it.

Yes a engine needs to make real good power by itself or the boost won't be as big as a gain as it can be. Don't forget i don't turn this blower hard either it only see's 22lbs in the 1/8 and 24 in the 1/4.
Boost is only a measurement of restriction.

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Re: PROCHARGER VS. TURBO [Re: MIKES_DUSTER] #1340117
11/25/12 06:34 PM 11/25/12 06:34 PM
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WOW!!!!!!! LOTS of answers!!!!!!

So,I guess it comes down to what you really want and IF you can afford it!!!! LOL And from what ive learned,Ill be going the NOS way!!!!!! HAHA!!!

Not much talk on this thread regarding the "supporting cast" ( and there better not be any cast parts ). I started out with a target HP # and went from there. One of my limiting factors was I wanted to use a stock block. This put me in the - not over 700HP range. I went with a stock 360 block that sonic tested on the very good side. Then 3/4 filled it and went with 4 bolt Milodon caps, forged crank and H beam rods, Icon blower pistons. I still think it is probably boarder line for 700 HP, but time will tell.

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