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Superbird needs body and paint question? #1334234
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I know this is the age old question but does anyone have any recommendations of a competent quality body shop / man in the mid Atlantic area?
I live in the Baltimore area so I would like to be able to visit from time to time so maybe not more than a couple hour drive away hopefully.
I have a Superbird that I have owned since 1980, I have it mostly disassembled now a little more to go , that I would like to get back as a painted roller sanded and buffed with the fenders and doors hung. I will do the rest. I know this is very specialized work and am not try to screw anybody and I know materials are through the roof but when you’re talking about a basically dry car with original sheet metal I just can’t afford go into the 40-50K range and don’t want to wait four years. Does anybody have any recommendations or even constructive comments. Maybe 40 -50 is what it should cost. If that’s the case then it might be time to let it go I guess.

Re: Superbird needs body and paint question? [Re: beatgoeson] #1334235
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I can't help you on the body shop rec. There is one here local that is great, but too far for you.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Copper-State-Creations/157771474295783
I doubt it should cost 40-50K, but without pics and/or a full list of the issues, no one can give you an estimate.

Re: Superbird needs body and paint question? [Re: beatgoeson] #1334236
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call le hodge, and see what his schedule is like. if you just need a roller prepped and painted, it shouldnt be a 4 year wait.


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Re: Superbird needs body and paint question? [Re: Golden-Arm] #1334237
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call le hodge, and see what his schedule is like. if you just need a roller prepped and painted, it shouldnt be a 4 year wait.




Since doing a Superbird right takes specialized knowledge, you might want to ask the question here:

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?board=26.0

Re: Superbird needs body and paint question? [Re: xs29j8] #1334238
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call le hodge, and see what his schedule is like. if you just need a roller prepped and painted, it shouldnt be a 4 year wait.




Since doing a Superbird right takes specialized knowledge, you might want to ask the question here:

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?board=26.0




True to a point. But OP just wants to deliver as stripped shell for paint and body. If it doesn't get paint, it doesn't go to the body/paint shop. Then get back a painted shell. O.P. will do ALL re-assembly. If I'm reading that correctly??

I assume the O.P. will reassemble all the nose cone componets, wing, etc.

IMHO, that should be between $20K and $13K job on a dry car, original sheet metal. To patch panels need whatsoever. A factor could be how smashed up/previously repaired the nosecone is/was. That could take a lot of labor and expertise.

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Re: Superbird needs body and paint question? [Re: autoxcuda] #1334239
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I assume the O.P. will reassemble all the nose cone componets, wing, etc.

True, I have owned this car since 1980 I have removed and disassembled the nose and wing. I will be re-assy. everthing. I'm just not a body man. I'm thinking at this point I have a 70 b-body period. now it is a 42 year old car so it will need some attention but nothing crazy.
I had one local guy look at it, he does very nice work. He did my Cuda in the early Ninties. He charges $ 3,000 just for the final wet sand and buff now. He said its a great solid car then says I'll be in the 35-40K range. I was just floored.

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Re: Superbird needs body and paint question? [Re: beatgoeson] #1334243
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Re: Superbird needs body and paint question? [Re: RodStRace] #1334244
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I can't help you on the body shop rec. There is one here local that is great, but too far for you.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Copper-State-Creations/157771474295783
I doubt it should cost 40-50K, but without pics and/or a full list of the issues, no one can give you an estimate.




John , Well you know that I will agree with your recommendation of Dave @ 'Copper State Creations' as I found it definitely worth the 800 + mile trip to Chino Valley , Arizona. His OUTSTANDING completion of my 1971 Challenger R/T & Dan's 1969 A-12 Roadrunner are just a couple reasons why even a couple thousand mile journey should certainly be considered. He is a true enthusiastic artist who performs incredible work in a very timely manner. With almost daily updates on progress he is 100% "A man of his word" ............

Re: Superbird needs body and paint question? [Re: beatgoeson] #1334245
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Did you have it repainted since you bought it in 1980?

Does it have any rust in it? Did it ever before? Looks like it has seem some winter or outdoor exposure since 1970. Orginally sold in an area with winters?

What it look like behind/inside the nose cone? Is there any previous repairs? How extensive and how much bondo. Most all have been dinged once.

$3000 to wet sand and buff a car sounds crazy. Maybe he is a custom, Riddler Award winning painter. Good for him then, you'd be wasting his talent. 70 Superbirds were never that nice of paint.

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'70 Superbirds were never that nice of paint.'

Exactly...

If yer after OEM, I can turn you on to some guys that worked for Creative...

Re: Superbird needs body and paint question? [Re: beatgoeson] #1334247
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I know someone in N.C.that does mainly Mopars that does great work and is not expensive. If you want his number PM me and I will give to you.

Re: Superbird needs body and paint question? [Re: Southern Wolf] #1334248
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When do you want to get started on it? I may have an opening in the spring.

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Re: Superbird needs body and paint question? [Re: beatgoeson] #1334249
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the guys doing my Bird are in the Quarkertown PA. area and will have an opening in the next month or two when my car is finishing up. They just did a turnkey restoration on a 70 RR and it came out very nice so Im really excited that theyre on my car full time now!!!!! I hope to see color by the end of the year.

Re: Superbird needs body and paint question? [Re: LimeliteAero] #1334250
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Limelite aero you have mail thx

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I know this is the age old question but does anyone have any recommendations of a competent quality body shop / man in the mid Atlantic area?
I live in the Baltimore area so I would like to be able to visit from time to time so maybe not more than a couple hour drive away hopefully.
I have a Superbird that I have owned since 1980, I have it mostly disassembled now a little more to go , that I would like to get back as a painted roller sanded and buffed with the fenders and doors hung. I will do the rest. I know this is very specialized work and am not try to screw anybody and I know materials are through the roof but when you’re talking about a basically dry car with original sheet metal I just can’t afford go into the 40-50K range and don’t want to wait four years. Does anybody have any recommendations or even constructive comments. Maybe 40 -50 is what it should cost. If that’s the case then it might be time to let it go I guess.




Hello,

My car was done by a great bodyguy that lives in Harper's Ferry, WV. It is only about 90 minutes from you, right off of 340 in Harper's Ferry. He just built a shop at his home and will be working out of it. He did a great job on my car, is very reasonable, and did a 67 Coronet R/T that won Carlisle in 2009. I don't think he has restored a Superbird, but am pretty sure he has done many Runners and Chargers, as well as many other difficult cars (59 Vette, 57 Chevy, etc.). His name is Mark Harris and his number is 304-535-6523. Leave a message and he will get back to you.

Trustworthy, up front dude and you pay as you go. He encourages you to see what he has done before getting more money, and several times I helped him out..

Either way, good luck with your car!

Pete

Re: Superbird needs body and paint question? [Re: p d'ro] #1334252
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Would love to talk to you about the superbird. Please give a call, 304-535-6523 and leave a message, 304-876-8023 eve. Mark at Carriage house Customs and Classics. best of luck with it, hope to hear from you, Mark

Re: Superbird needs body and paint question? [Re: kidmopar] #1334253
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I can't help you on the body shop rec. There is one here local that is great, but too far for you.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Copper-State-Creations/157771474295783
I doubt it should cost 40-50K, but without pics and/or a full list of the issues, no one can give you an estimate.




John , Well you know that I will agree with your recommendation of Dave @ 'Copper State Creations' as I found it definitely worth the 800 + mile trip to Chino Valley , Arizona. His OUTSTANDING completion of my 1971 Challenger R/T & Dan's 1969 A-12 Roadrunner are just a couple reasons why even a couple thousand mile journey should certainly be considered. He is a true enthusiastic artist who performs incredible work in a very timely manner. With almost daily updates on progress he is 100% "A man of his word" ............




I agree....Dave painted my 69 Roadrunner...worth the trip! Give him a call.


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call le hodge, and see what his schedule is like. if you just need a roller prepped and painted, it shouldnt be a 4 year wait.



I agree. You owe it to yourself to talk to Le Hodge. Hodge Restorations is a MOPAR only shop. www.hodgerestorations.com

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I think it all depends on what the end result is that you want. If you want a valuable , fully restored car that you're afraid to drive then you have to bite the bullet and spend the big bucks. On the other hand, if you want a really nice driver done with less expense but stillhaving a good resale value down the road then I'd suggest you take things a little further yourself. Keep in mind there is a small market for expensive, perfect cars.

Take it down to the bare shell yourself. If it needs any sheet metal work, find someone that is good locally and have that done. Before any bondo, etc. Have the thing totally blasted. Some places will epoxy prime afterwards but in not, invest in a good airless spray system and prime it yourself. Then use a single stage paint and do things like the interior, trunk, underside, engine compartment, etc. yourself. Now send it out for any bondo it needs. At this point you may be comfortable with the spray gun and decide to paint yourself. Base/clear can be forgiving. The end result may not be "perfect" but will likely have a higher return on investment that an all out restoration - which you've already said is not in your budget.

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Thats not a bad idea Stanton. I do have an air compressor and paint guns. I have painted smaller stuff outside on nice days and actually did a pretty good job. If I get the thing stripped I wouldn't mind painting mostly everything but the body. And your question. I def. will be driving this car when done. It's been on the road for the last 32 years. Its just a fY1 U code stick car so nothing to valuable.

Re: Superbird needs body and paint question? [Re: beatgoeson] #1334257
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Beatgoeson,

Check out these guys.
Clark Classic Restorations
I brought them my 68 Hemi Road Runner as a primered shell and got it back very red... I also had them paint a few of the interior parts that were black and my steel rims. I gave them enough of the seals, latches and bumpers needed to hang the doors and install the hood and deck lid. At the website, click on Partial Restorations and scroll down to see "Jim's 68 Hemi Road Runner" Do not let the distance from Maryland hold you from selecting a good shop.

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Re: Superbird needs body and paint question? [Re: 68jim] #1334259
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Do it yourself. After you do the engine compartment, trunk and door jambs, you will be more familiar with the process and you will become more confident in painting the body. I assume that is a yellow car and the color should be somewhat forgiving and easy to spray.

I'm somewhat "new" to doing this stuff too and at this point have still not painted a "whole" car. I've only done sections. I find metallic way more difficult than straight colors. Yellow like yours... I would NOT hesitate to do it myself, especially if you are just wanting a nice driver paint job.

Re: Superbird needs body and paint question? [Re: 68jim] #1334260
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I did the body on Jim's Road Runner, along with most of the cars shown. If interested, please contact me directly with a PM or email me at Steve@barrsrestoration.com
Thanks, Steve.

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