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Re: Cost of a Hemi ???
[Re: quickd100]
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11/05/12 04:38 PM
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It can be done much cheaper IF you don't mind waiting for deals to come along. Even so...if you start keeping track of all the costs of one, you'll end up in the loony bin. Dave
That is how I built mine and it took about a year to gather all the parts. I came in a few grand under the price of a crate engine and I knew how it was put togeather since I did the assembly myself.
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Re: Cost of a Hemi ???
[Re: max]
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11/05/12 05:51 PM
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It can be done much cheaper IF you don't mind waiting for deals to come along. Even so...if you start keeping track of all the costs of one, you'll end up in the loony bin. Dave
That is how I built mine and it took about a year to gather all the parts. I came in a few grand under the price of a crate engine and I knew how it was put togeather since I did the assembly myself.
Yes one can do it on the cheap if theey scrounge for parts , does your cost total include traveling to car show after car show looking for the cheap parts ?
and like this state from above ...
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Like other free market items, the price is determined by the most foolish buyer.
One person claims they did it for pennies on the dollar everyone else thinks they can too.
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Re: Cost of a Hemi ???
[Re: DakFink]
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11/05/12 06:16 PM
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Mine is a 9.5-1 pump gas hemi with a mechanical fuel pump. It looks bone stock and since I was spending the money for a Hemi, why not get the best parts available? Heads are not much more to get the stageV, cranks are the same for a 3.75 eagle/k1/scat as a 4.5, rods are the same for them, cam and lifters are a no brainer to goto roller, with the lack of ZDDP in the oil, why risk a 20K motor for 800 extra in a roller. Stock Hemi Rockers suck, scrub and ratio's are almost alway way off, I had rockers that were 1.3-1.4 ratio when they should have been 1.52 so I spent the money for stageV. Tim Quote:
DOH!!!
I guess I really stepped into this one!!
My apologies guys BUT what I was really questioning is the Street-able Pump Gas Hemis.
From what I have seen so far these are pretty much race pieces and actually decent prices for what you're getting.
My question is the ones I have looked at as complete engines the prices look like those ya'll have quoted for race Hemis.
Another question arises: More than a few times I have seen people say they have had major issues with Hemis after being built. This is the reason I was looking more at complete engines. Have the builder run it and inspect it before I take it. To make sure there are no underlying issues with it.
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Re: Cost of a Hemi ???
[Re: astjp2]
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11/05/12 06:23 PM
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The two Itemized builds here are $18K and $23K respectively.
Not a cheap venture.
-Dustin
67 Dart, 9 second, 392" G3 Hemi
68 Barracuda 340 F/SA
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Re: Cost of a Hemi ???
[Re: astjp2]
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11/05/12 07:21 PM
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What I want to see is that $900 air cleaner.....  Quote:
Ok, lets compare mine.
world block 2500
stageV heads 3800
crank 500
rods 700
pistons 280
cam/lifters 700
timing chain 125
head studs 295
intake 500
valve covers 250
rockers 2600 (stageV roller, dichelles shafts, dvorak stands)
Carbs 1200
fuel pump (racepumps 2000) 400
Misc. hardware 350
oil pan (Milidon 31581) 350
External oil line 145
oil line 145
oil pump drive 150
valve spring 200
magnafuel shear plates 200
fuel lines 100
fuel pressure regulator 155
throttle linkage 100
air cleaner 900
balancer 275
flywheel 120
machine shop 2000
Al Debevek K-membeer 900
paint, 280 for 1 quart for original PPG formula
Gaskets 400
Bearings 375
spark plug wires 180
distributor 150 (includes recurve)
This does not count shipping or travel to get some things done.
Its not cheap. I could have bought for cheaper but I know what is in my engine. Many of the parts are similar in cost to what is listed below, I did some shopping around for some things to save a buck. It also does not count any mistakes in parts fitment. Tim
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Just the long block to my Hemi has cost me over $22K in parts 
Block $5000
Heads $5500
Rockers $2500
Crank $3641
Rods $1300
Pistons $1000
Valve covers $450
Gear Drive $550
Camshaft $400
Lifters $700
Pushrods $300
Bearings $150
Damper $360
Oil Pan $300
Intake $550
Head gaskets $200
And there are other misc like hardware, etc.
Doug
1967 "Pedal Car" 500" low deck , TF 727, 4.30 Locker
Best to Date: 11.67 @ 114.9 1.64 60ft
"Kids in cars cause accidents. Accidents in cars cause kids..."
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Re: Cost of a Hemi ???
[Re: JohnRR]
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11/06/12 12:48 AM
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Yes one can do it on the cheap if theey scrounge for parts , does your cost total include traveling to car show after car show looking for the cheap parts ?
I actually bought two pieces of the puzzle at one car show, the crank was a local part and the rest came from on line.
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Re: Cost of a Hemi ???
[Re: Dragula]
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11/06/12 07:03 AM
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DOH!!!
I guess I really stepped into this one!!
My apologies guys BUT what I was really questioning is the Street-able Pump Gas Hemis.
From what I have seen so far these are pretty much race pieces and actually decent prices for what you're getting.
My question is the ones I have looked at as complete engines the prices look like those ya'll have quoted for race Hemis.
Another question arises: More than a few times I have seen people say they have had major issues with Hemis after being built. This is the reason I was looking more at complete engines. Have the builder run it and inspect it before I take it. To make sure there are no underlying issues with it.
A race hemi is not 16K if those are the prices your refering to...A used race hemi is a bunch more!
And as far as underlying issues, we were not aware of some of the rather odd changes to the after market block we recieved, nor was there any warning included. We have built blocks from this manufacutrer before, and never had these particular issues before. We caught most of the changes, but missed one major one that's not really somthing you can vissually see, and now we know. Most builders will already know about all the updates, so stick with one that builds them on a regular basis. It will save you headaches later.
As for me, I think I am done with CI blocks based on the initial cost, and then the cost to fix it and nobody seems accountable even though their name is all over it. Not been real happy with mine and the issues, but its almost back togather as a short block.
NOPE!! try adding another $10k to the $18-23K that has been stated here. For the prices I have seen for a simple pump gas 426-528 Hemi.
In that some of the builders MIGHT have Aluminum Heads at most.
Far as the underlying issues. I have heard many people had ordered Crate Hemis back in the late 90's- early 2000's and they pretty much had to rebuild them out of the crate. LOTS of issues.
I thought it was a Mopar thing. Then as the years go by I have seen many people Including Reputable Builders having issues as well.
But as you have stated changes were made for better or worse? No one mentioned these changes to the builders and now it bites them in the butt.
To me it sounds like if a person decides to build a Hemi, any way they go about it they better have a reputable current Hemi builder in their corner.
I guess I better get the Book that someone mentioned from AR Engineering and do some reading before I decide if I want to tackle this or not.
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Re: Cost of a Hemi ???
[Re: DakFink]
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11/06/12 07:15 AM
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Agreed Hemis aint cheap  But have you guys looked at the cost of some of the nasty, mondo cube SB builds out there  Im putting the finishing touches on my 572 - I can tell you from experience that shopping intelligently can go a long way to making a lot of difference in the total outlay.  MP block Bryant crank Saenz rods Barton pump w/swinging pickups Diamond coated pistons Bullet roller stick Isky Red Zome EZ rollers Stage V rockers Ported Indy Legend heads Milodon gear drive Indy RP intake Pro Systems 1200 Dom Im into this engine for less than many might think and Im happy about that !!
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Re: Cost of a Hemi ???
[Re: nz383man]
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11/06/12 07:24 AM
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People like myself that try doing this on the other side of the world (New Zealand) need their head seen to. 
Hemi builds just seem to get out of hand. 
You can say that again, I'm in the midst of coverting my Hemi from a blown 14-71 set up to Twin Turbos. Complete refresh, new pistons, rings, cam, manifold, etc, etc, etc.
Its best if I dont add the costs up 
Old Set Up
New Set up - Part way through
Mock up stage
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Re: Cost of a Hemi ???
[Re: DakFink]
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11/06/12 11:53 AM
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Why are Long Block Hemis (gen2) so expensive?? because it's a Hemi... $ for $ a wedge is a much better value for about 90% of folks here. It can be built for about 1/2 of the Hemi and much less that that R2D2 P7C3pO SB.... I guess you just have to really want it. Like those guys who buy a six-pack...is it better? Not really but it looks cool. 
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Re: Cost of a Hemi ???
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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11/06/12 12:31 PM
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Why are Long Block Hemis (gen2) so expensive??
because it's a Hemi... $ for $ a wedge is a much better value for about 90% of folks here. It can be built for about 1/2 of the Hemi and much less that that R2D2 P7C3pO SB....
I guess you just have to really want it. Like those guys who buy a six-pack...is it better? Not really but it looks cool.
I have built both. I don't see where a comparable wedge costs half as much. Rotating assembles are practically the same cost. Hang on parts are the same. Oiling system is the same/similiar. Cam/lifters are compairable. Hemi head Castings and rocker gear is more expensive. Also the blocks cost more. Unless you have a machine shop in the shed, most of the machine work costs the same. A hemi is worth a lot more money and will give you a much better return on investment. Also the block is much better then a traditional 440 because of the cross bolted mains. Its more money up front, but if you are building a car from scratch the hemi will yield a lot more money on the investment. 
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Re: Cost of a Hemi ???
[Re: DakFink]
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11/06/12 12:35 PM
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I did just see 528 Ray Barton with about 300+ miles on it in the Engine For Sale section here. Asking $16000
I'm sure he is getting offers for 5k from Moparts members for it .
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Re: Cost of a Hemi ???
[Re: JohnRR]
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11/06/12 12:44 PM
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I did just see 528 Ray Barton with about 300+ miles on it in the Engine For Sale section here. Asking $16000
I'm sure he is getting offers for 5k from Moparts members for it .
LOL no doubt!!! I'm a tite-axx BUT I won't insult someone with a LowBall offer. If I can't afford or don't want to pay their asking price I just move on. Especially when it's that LOW compared to what I have been seeing else where and when Ray Barton touches it, the price goes up even more.
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Re: Cost of a Hemi ???
[Re: DakFink]
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11/06/12 12:46 PM
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Not sure why they cost so much but I will have about 26000.00 in mine  .Some of the parts so far. Callies Crank Oliver Rods Ross Pistons New Indy aluminum Block Steve Morris/Bullet Cam .712 276 @.050 on 114 Dick Landy rocker arms kb heads with titanium valves MSD pro billet distributor Milodon drive Mezeire 55 gph water pump Milodon magnesium valve covers powdercoated Indy blower manifold powdercoated 10-71 blower hard anodized/teflon stripped rotors 8mm polished drive kit clear powder coated Two Quick fuel dominators Bds carb adaptor Enderle linkage Charlies aluminum oil pan Tti ceramic 2 1/4...4 inch headers with bungs
'33 Plymouth 5 Window Coupe Blown Aluminum HEMI w/bolt ons (under construction)
'69 Chrysler 300 Convertible 375 HP 440
'71 Plymouth Duster 360 W/EFI (Wife's Ride)
'12 Ram MegaCab Dually 6.7 Cummins
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