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Re: 88 Ramcharger won't start!
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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10/18/12 08:29 PM
10/18/12 08:29 PM
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Florida
scratchnfotraction
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 thats why i have striped the last two and convert it to a 85 wire harness. then by-pass all of the stock crap on the 85.  get to this point and it sux every dime I have and still no worky 9 out of 10 times for me. so i go straight to the strip it mode and never work on it again when it is done. may want to look at the ign. fuseable link over real good,I have seen them burn the wire and show very little evedince that it burnt. but it swelled the rubber and made it soft in the spot it burnt. tbi is a whole nuther ball game if you plan to keep it or by-pass what you have.  this is how my fender looks after I strip it and by-pass crap. no ecu/BR/delay relays. only a starter relay and the ground wire on the firewall 
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Re: 88 Ramcharger won't start!
[Re: 72sat]
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10/18/12 08:57 PM
10/18/12 08:57 PM
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Brookeville, Md
Mr.Yuck
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before you replace anything make sure you ground you ECU, with a wire from your battery. destroyed 2 ECUs because they were not grounded good thru the mounting screws. would start up fine, drive some where would not start. wait, or get a jump; start fine.after you ground it you may still need to get an ECU.
been running great for months, just wouldn't start up this morning. I hear a bunch of clicking from a realy on the drivers fender that I never heard before. I'm hoping/guessing it's from that?
"Check your asd relay (on the DS fender side) and also consider a failed Hall effect sensor in the distributor. Any codes?"
where is the ASD realy? as the clicking is coming froma relay on the DS fender... what is a "Fall effect sensor? and how would you read codes on this thing?
anybody have a engine bay wire diagram? 
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Re: 88 Ramcharger won't start!
[Re: 72sat]
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10/18/12 08:57 PM
10/18/12 08:57 PM
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Lakewood, Colorado
herkamer
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2nd for Hall Effect. Mine was running then would die. Restart was ok, but then one day it finally died completely. If you are not seeing the injectors pulse besides when you turn the key on, chances are it's gone.
Matt
69 Dart Swinger 340
83 W350, Megasquirted with 46RH
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Re: 88 Ramcharger won't start!
[Re: herkamer]
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10/18/12 09:01 PM
10/18/12 09:01 PM
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Brookeville, Md
Mr.Yuck
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2nd for Hall Effect. Mine was running then would die. Restart was ok, but then one day it finally died completely. If you are not seeing the injectors pulse besides when you turn the key on, chances are it's gone.
it won't even start. it was running fine. It's like somebody pulled the coil wire.
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Re: 88 Ramcharger won't start!
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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10/18/12 09:23 PM
10/18/12 09:23 PM
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Florida
scratchnfotraction
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the HALL EFFECT is the pick up inside the dist,took the place of the old pick-up and reluctor. it could be several things and most times you start at the wrong end replaceing stuff..or i do anyways  I think you flip the key a few times and watch/count the light flash to see what codes.could be more than 1 code.
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Re: 88 Ramcharger won't start!
[Re: jerseybud]
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10/18/12 09:41 PM
10/18/12 09:41 PM
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Brookeville, Md
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88 is first year of tbi, 89 for the 360- Ignition is controlled by the computer To check for codes, turn key on-off-on-off-on within 5 seconds. The check engine light will then flash.
For example: flash pause flash flash= 12= battery disconnected in last 50 cycles. Usually, no codes with a Hall effect (the plastic plate in the distributor).
Try swapping the side by side relays on the fender. One is the ASD, one is the fuel pump. Sometimes a 3rd for the AC.
Ok so tomorrow I'll check the codes, is there a website for that? Also the relays on the Fender are they an easy buy?
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Re: 88 Ramcharger won't start!
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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10/18/12 11:41 PM
10/18/12 11:41 PM
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Sunny South Florida
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codes for your truck are here: http://www.allpar.com/fix/codes/index.htmlclick key from off to on, then back off, three times. write the numbers down. all are 2 digit codes, and they might not run in numerical order. if you miss any, wait till it's done, and run them again. if you suspect a bad fusible link, you can jump the circuit, from the hot side of the battery to the coil. i'll agree, the hall effect pick-up fails suddenly without warning, or it gives you issues for weeks before it dies. they cost a few bucks, and takes like 2 minutes to replace. dont buy parts until you check the codes. repairs are easier and cheaper, than just changing random parts. the pick-up in the dizzie is one exception i would make, in a no start situation. also, verify fuel sprays when you first turn ion the key, from the injectors. look down the throttle body, and have someone switch the key on. a bad fuel pump will also do this, suddenly dying, and no hope of starting at all.  *you should be asking this in the truck section..... 
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Re: 88 Ramcharger won't start!
[Re: herkamer]
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10/19/12 08:17 AM
10/19/12 08:17 AM
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Niles , Ohio
therocks
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First thing get a test light.Ground one end and touch the dist side of coil and see if the light flashes.The other side shoud be constant hot.Could be hall effect,coil,coil wire,cap,rotor etc.If the light flashes the main ignition is good.If not pull cap check rotor turns.Also make sure the rotor strap is good as is the carbon button in the cap.Then if it turns likely the hall effect or the ASD relay.Rocky
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Re: 88 Ramcharger won't start!
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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10/19/12 12:36 PM
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Lakewood, Colorado
herkamer
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According to my troubleshooting manual, that relay is the A/C clutch relay. Middle is the Auto Shutdown (ASD) relay, and the front is the starter relay.
The test procedure for the hall effect is as follows:
Unhook the connector
Jump pins 2 and 3 together on dist side
Turn key on, hold coil wire away 1/4" away from ground
Make and break circuit. Coil should fire. If not H/E is junk
If spark is present, check pin one on harness side for 12v.
Pin layout dist side with the guide notch to the top:
1
3 2
Rockauto shows the H/E as Standard Motor Products part number LX127 or LX127T if you want the cheaper one. Between 20-27 dollars.
Hope that helps some.
Matt
69 Dart Swinger 340
83 W350, Megasquirted with 46RH
Old news: 72 Demon street/race mobile
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Re: 88 Ramcharger won't start!
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
#1322451
10/19/12 06:53 PM
10/19/12 06:53 PM
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Lakewood, Colorado
herkamer
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When mine died, it had no codes either. I would ASSume that the H/E is dead. I had to pull the distributor to put mine in, make sure you mark the installed location well, it's critical on these. I don't think there is a way to hotwire unfortunately. Guess I was lucky mine died in the driveway! Easiest way to tell if it's the starter relay is to take it out. If it is the A/C relay it won't hurt anything by not being installed.
Matt
69 Dart Swinger 340
83 W350, Megasquirted with 46RH
Old news: 72 Demon street/race mobile
Latest: 70 Duster backhalf car
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Re: 88 Ramcharger won't start!
[Re: herkamer]
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10/19/12 07:33 PM
10/19/12 07:33 PM
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ST clair shores MI
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how do you know it has fuel?? besides the gauge.enough psi??injector squirting when cranking?? if yes,then the hall effect is probably fine.I have fixed many corroded wires in the harness.wire branchs off into many different components,some systems lose power. Check engine light will not light up at all with key turned on(not started).each relay needs 2 power leads 1 key on power, 1 all time power. The ecm controls the ground circuit of the relays.If the relays are truly clattering,lost power or ground,bad connection somewhere.If the hall affect is bad there is a quick test to try. quickly jump the 2 leads on the engine harness side of the distributor connector with key on,a spark should be heard. just quick touches.just touching and leaving it connected with do nothing. the connection needs to be on/off to create a signal.Don't know the colors,it's a 3 pin connector,the 2 next to each other.if you want to just through parts at it enjoy.
P.S.There is no code for a broken wire.
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