Re: towing a classic with a classic?
[Re: eightlitermopar]
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09/24/12 11:38 AM
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I don't think the GVW of your B body is big enough to legally tow a 1500lb trailer with a 3500lb B body on it...at least in my state. Try one of these...I built it on a lt 1 ton chassis w/ airbags & towing suspension & even though its a short wheelbase 71 PW, it towed my 24' enclosed hauler fine. My 70 U code Cuda had hitch on it when I bought it, so probably towed a boat or two in its time, but that's about all I'd attempt with a passenger car.
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Re: towing a classic with a classic?
[Re: dogdays]
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09/24/12 01:12 PM
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I wouldn't do it. I have towed several times with my '64Dog D100, the last trip being a '91Taurus over the Rockies. Every time I finish a tow like that I say, "Never again."
But here's a couple of things to think about... 1. The tow cars you saw in the adverts above were C-bodies. They were bigger. 2. U-Haul won't rent you a trailer. I had to show up to get the trailer in my 4wd Suburban because the computer said my half-ton wasn't big enough. 3. Unlike your B-body, my D100 has a frame. 4. I'm not worried about you stopping, trailer brakes take care of that. Instead, I'm worried about those long downhill stretches where the trailer starts "driving" the car. Towing a FJ40 Land Cruiser with the D100 I had to air the rear tires up to 60psi to make them stiff enough to resist the trailer trying to steer.
I'm a bit of a cowboy and will try things that others wouldn't, but I'd not even think of what you're doing.
R.
I agree & Dogdays hit the nail on the head. My 71 W100 (now 1 ton), doesn't haul like my 02 Cummins did, but sure looks nostalgia & gets the thumbs up when hauling something.
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Re: towing a classic with a classic?
[Re: eightlitermopar]
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09/24/12 01:23 PM
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when you total both then your question will be answered.......
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Re: towing a classic with a classic?
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09/24/12 01:35 PM
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My brother just picked this up. From Florida with only 44,000 miles. We are going to tow my race car with it.
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Re: towing a classic with a classic?
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It's a 78' so I call it a classic.
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Re: towing a classic with a classic?
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09/24/12 04:42 PM
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My Imperial was rated to tow 5000 lbs. That would get you a medium RV trailer but is less than the weight of a B body on a steel trailer. Andrewh hauled a 69 RR on a HEAVY home built trailer behind his 64 Dodge 880. The trip went from Idaho to DFW with a blizzard most of the way. He got stuck in a ditch once but that was due to icy downhill conditions and he had plenty of company in that ditch. The car had a receiver hitch welded to the rear rails and a load equalizing hitch was used.
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Re: towing a classic with a classic?
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09/25/12 09:26 AM
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I wouldn't do it. I have towed several times with my '64Dog D100, the last trip being a '91Taurus over the Rockies. Every time I finish a tow like that I say, "Never again."
But here's a couple of things to think about... 1. The tow cars you saw in the adverts above were C-bodies. They were bigger. 2. U-Haul won't rent you a trailer. I had to show up to get the trailer in my 4wd Suburban because the computer said my half-ton wasn't big enough. 3. Unlike your B-body, my D100 has a frame. 4. I'm not worried about you stopping, trailer brakes take care of that. Instead, I'm worried about those long downhill stretches where the trailer starts "driving" the car. Towing a FJ40 Land Cruiser with the D100 I had to air the rear tires up to 60psi to make them stiff enough to resist the trailer trying to steer.
I'm a bit of a cowboy and will try things that others wouldn't, but I'd not even think of what you're doing.
R.
I agree & Dogdays hit the nail on the head. My 71 W100 (now 1 ton), doesn't haul like my 02 Cummins did, but sure looks nostalgia & gets the thumbs up when hauling something.
Triggerfish thats a SWEEET ride! Also, the dogs are purty
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Re: towing a classic with a classic?
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09/25/12 12:05 PM
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I wouldn't do it. I have towed several times with my '64Dog D100, the last trip being a '91Taurus over the Rockies. Every time I finish a tow like that I say, "Never again."
But here's a couple of things to think about... 1. The tow cars you saw in the adverts above were C-bodies. They were bigger. 2. U-Haul won't rent you a trailer. I had to show up to get the trailer in my 4wd Suburban because the computer said my half-ton wasn't big enough. 3. Unlike your B-body, my D100 has a frame. 4. I'm not worried about you stopping, trailer brakes take care of that. Instead, I'm worried about those long downhill stretches where the trailer starts "driving" the car. Towing a FJ40 Land Cruiser with the D100 I had to air the rear tires up to 60psi to make them stiff enough to resist the trailer trying to steer.
I'm a bit of a cowboy and will try things that others wouldn't, but I'd not even think of what you're doing.
R.
I agree & Dogdays hit the nail on the head. My 71 W100 (now 1 ton), doesn't haul like my 02 Cummins did, but sure looks nostalgia & gets the thumbs up when hauling something.
Triggerfish thats a SWEEET ride! Also, the dogs are purty
Thanks much & those are my "Mopups"... Also, here's a link to the Diesel Power Mag feature article of a 68 W200, 5.9 Cummins conversion whose owner lives here in Reno. I want to do a 5.9 12 valve conversion to my PW one day. It'd be nice to get 20 mpg w/ 800 ft lbs of towing power! Eightlitermopar could tow both cars with this rig. http://www.dieselpowermag.com/features/dodge/1207dp_1968_dodge_w200_vitamin_c/ If nostalgia is what he's looking for, here's the way to do it...safely, too.
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Re: towing a classic with a classic?
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09/25/12 12:17 PM
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Do they even make a hitch for that car that is up to the class rating?
Hitch Measurements
Class 1 (Class I) trailer hitch Trailer hitch with capacity of up to 2,000 lbs gross trailer weight and 200 lbs tongue weight.
Class 2 (Class II) trailer hitch Trailer hitch with weight-carrying rating of up to 3,500 lbs gross trailer weight and 300/350 lbs tongue weight.
Class 3 (Class III) trailer hitch Trailer hitch with weight carrying rating of up to 5,000 lbs gross trailer weight and 500 lbs tongue weight. Also sometimes used to refer to a hitch with any 2" receiver, regardless of rating.
Class 4 (Class IV) trailer hitch Trailer hitch with weight carrying rating of up to 10,000 lbs gross trailer weight and 1,000 - 1,200 lbs tongue weight. Although many times any hitch with a capacity greater than 5,000 lbs gross weight is referred to as a Class 4.
The key point here is "up to" means WITH a weight distributing hitch; a Class IV hitch without the bars is rated at only 500 lbs deadweight and 5000 lbs towing.
The proper tongue weight isn't 10%, it is 12 - 15% which with a 1500 lb open trailer and a 4000 lb car is 660 - 825 lbs...DEFINETLY class IV WITH WD bars.
I would never tow that much weight with any unibody vehicle.
Yes, it isn't about power, it's about brakes, suspension and tires.
All in all, it's a bad idea; sure they did it 45 years ago but now speeds are higher and the other cars on the road stop faster.
If a person was bent on doing it, you'd need to ensure you had a proper class IV hitch designed for the vehicle, ensure the unibody is solid, use a WD hitch setup, ensure the trailer brakes are in good condition, use a decent brake controler, ensure the towing cars DISK brakes are in good shape and use airbags or HD springs to level the load....oh yeah and new tires with the appropriate weight ratings aired to max (or a little beyond)
...oh yeah, and keep the speed down...way down.
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Re: towing a classic with a classic?
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09/26/12 12:20 PM
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Glad I'm not the only "idiot" who has done this. 10 years ago a buddy told me of a GY3 71 Duster340 roller across the province in Dauphin (about 200 miles) for cheap. Took my 71 /6 Swinger down to a local trailer place and they built me a Class2 hitch for the frame. Rented a towbar, and at the crack of dawn with lots of coffee headed out to get it. Ended up breaking one of the safety chain loops trying to jerk/pull it out of the soft snow covered area it was in, but got it hooked up. And made it home. Do it again? Nope. Unless... Grant
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Re: towing a classic with a classic?
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09/26/12 01:16 PM
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Isn't that what people used to do at one time?
Yeah! It wasn't very long ago that I saw an old video from the Mopar Nationals. I think it was 1985. The person was filming the cars as they came in the main gate at National Trails. I was amazed at how many of the vehicles were towed in behind station wagons and c-bodies. Back then, duallies were not seen very often and we still didn't have the Cummins 5.9.
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