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Replacing upper control arms with tubular arms,wider? #1295374 09/01/12 09:04 PM 09/01/12 09:04 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,912 APACHE JUNCTION AZ J Joesixpack OP I Live Here
Joesixpack OP I Live Here J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,912 APACHE JUNCTION AZ	Am helping a friend replace stock upper control arms with tubular versions....he got some from a guy in Ohio years ago with a complete k-frame,lower control arms etc,I have the K-frame installed,t-bars are in,gear box is on. went to install the new tubular upper control arms into the spaces on the outer inner fenders,they(the control arms) are 2 wide at the OD of the bushings and will not go in. anybody else ever had this happen to them? do the bushings need to be pressed in father?(to make them narrower)to go into the slots?

Re: Replacing upper control arms with tubular arms,wider? [Re: Joesixpack] #1295375 09/03/12 08:05 PM 09/03/12 08:05 PM
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Joesixpack OP I Live Here J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,912 APACHE JUNCTION AZ	ok pic of measurement new tubular control arm OD 7363320-uppercontrolarm001.JPG (117 downloads)

Re: Replacing upper control arms with tubular arms,wider? [Re: Joesixpack] #1295376 09/03/12 08:07 PM 09/03/12 08:07 PM
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Joesixpack OP I Live Here J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,912 APACHE JUNCTION AZ	old stock arm is narrower OD)overall length) 7363322-uppercontrolarm006.JPG (105 downloads) Last edited by Joesixpack; 09/03/12 08:08 PM.

Re: Replacing upper control arms with tubular arms,wider? [Re: Joesixpack] #1295377 09/03/12 10:56 PM 09/03/12 10:56 PM
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Re: Replacing upper control arms with tubular arms,wider? [Re: moparmojo] #1295378 09/03/12 11:25 PM 09/03/12 11:25 PM
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BDW master Joined: May 2005 Posts: 4,727 Florida	If I see right, it's 1/4" wider? .25" of 11.5" is only 2%, seems like tolerance. No way you can wedge it in?

Re: Replacing upper control arms with tubular arms,wider? [Re: BDW] #1295379 09/04/12 12:26 AM 09/04/12 12:26 AM
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DAYCLONA I Live Here Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 18,157 Mass	Quote: If I see right, it's 1/4" wider? .25" of 11.5" is only 2%, seems like tolerance. No way you can wedge it in? Agreed,....maybe try pressing in the bushings, they might just seat enough for you to muscle it into place, even stock arms with new bushings can be troublesome to remount....get the BFrubberH out

Re: Replacing upper control arms with tubular arms,wider? [Re: DAYCLONA] #1295380 09/04/12 12:46 AM 09/04/12 12:46 AM
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RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska	Is it the overall length of the tubular arms is too wide or the new bushings themselves in the tubular arms are too wide? live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: Replacing upper control arms with tubular arms,wider? [Re: RapidRobert] #1295381 09/04/12 01:28 AM 09/04/12 01:28 AM
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Joesixpack OP I Live Here J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,912 APACHE JUNCTION AZ	yes the OD of the entire unit is larger as shown in the pic,therefore it wont go into the alloted length of the slot. I have a bushing installer and will attempt to press them in tighter to decrease the OD of the arm itself. hopefully it will then go in. 7363835-uppercontrolarm002.JPG (53 downloads)

Re: Replacing upper control arms with tubular arms,wider? [Re: Joesixpack] #1295382 09/04/12 01:29 AM 09/04/12 01:29 AM
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Joesixpack OP I Live Here J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,912 APACHE JUNCTION AZ	it does look like they will press in further....quite a gap 7363838-uppercontrolarm011.JPG (81 downloads)

Re: Replacing upper control arms with tubular arms,wider? [Re: Joesixpack] #1295383 09/04/12 01:30 AM 09/04/12 01:30 AM
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Joesixpack OP I Live Here J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,912 APACHE JUNCTION AZ	i there a sleeve pressed in to the control arm and then the bushing pressed into that? 7363842-uppercontrolarm012.JPG (74 downloads)

Re: Replacing upper control arms with tubular arms,wider? [Re: Joesixpack] #1295384 09/04/12 01:37 AM 09/04/12 01:37 AM
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Joesixpack OP I Live Here J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,912 APACHE JUNCTION AZ	being wider wont allow either side to engage,you cant jamb one side in and hammer the other,they both have to start at same time. then push into place and stop so the bolt can be pushed thru.oh this is 1 cool ride,1965 Coronet Deluxe,2 door sedan,MS,MB,bench,radio delete,no carpet,just rubber mats...was granny S6,with the plastic Jesus on the dash.!Body is rust free,white,red interior,Putting in 440,edelbrock alum heads...disc brakes....should b a fun ride! pics soon

Re: Replacing upper control arms with tubular arms,wider? [Re: Joesixpack] #1295385 09/04/12 10:44 AM 09/04/12 10:44 AM
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DAYCLONA I Live Here Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 18,157 Mass	Although it's not the "norm", what about considering pressing the bushings out, and installing them so that the larger sholder is inboard?...the bushing would still do the same job, just be orientated in an alternate position...would that reduction of the shoulder on the outboard reduce your overall width enough to mount the arm?...just an idea Mike

Re: Replacing upper control arms with tubular arms,wider? [Re: Joesixpack] #1295386 09/04/12 11:51 AM 09/04/12 11:51 AM
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68HemiB master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 9,312 SoCal	Quote: i there a sleeve pressed in to the control arm and then the bushing pressed into that? The UCA bushing is an intact assembly. It's comprised of an outer shell, insulating material (rubber, etc), and an inner sleeve, onto which has been attached a ferrule at each end. 7364123-uca_bushings.jpg (41 downloads) Down to just a blue car now.

Re: Replacing upper control arms with tubular arms,wider? [Re: BDW] #1295387 09/04/12 11:57 AM 09/04/12 11:57 AM
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68HemiB master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 9,312 SoCal	Quote: If I see right, it's 1/4" wider? .25" of 11.5" is only 2%, seems like tolerance. No way you can wedge it in? It is not unusual for people who have purchased aftermarket tubular upper control arms to see a difference in size from the factory piece, and it is not uncommon to see postings like this. Right or wrong, the "it's only a 2% difference" attitude seems to be common among those who produce these parts. Without picking sides, let me observe that the typical solution for this dilemma is to manhandle/force it into place. Down to just a blue car now.

Re: Replacing upper control arms with tubular arms,wider? [Re: 68HemiB] #1295388 09/04/12 07:18 PM 09/04/12 07:18 PM
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Joesixpack OP I Live Here J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,912 APACHE JUNCTION AZ	ok thanks,since they were not mine&the car was not mine i did not want to ie either wreck them or damage the car.always better to ask first

Re: Replacing upper control arms with tubular arms,wider? [Re: Joesixpack] #1295389 09/04/12 08:15 PM 09/04/12 08:15 PM
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jlatessa pro stock J Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,317 Ohio	That's a beefy looking upper arm, is for a MOPAR and who made it? Thanks....Joe

Re: Replacing upper control arms with tubular arms,wider? [Re: jlatessa] #1295390 09/04/12 08:35 PM 09/04/12 08:35 PM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 16,479 Canada CrAzYMoPaRGuY I Live Here
CrAzYMoPaRGuY I Live Here Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 16,479 Canada	Quote: That's a beefy looking upper arm, is for a MOPAR and who made it? Thanks....Joe I'm not sure I would agree, I would toss a plate in to the space near the ball joint saddle.... just me? The mid brace LOOKS nice, but I'm more worried about the pressures exerted on the ball joint area! CrAzYMoPaRGuY

Re: Replacing upper control arms with tubular arms,wider? [Re: CrAzYMoPaRGuY] #1295391 09/04/12 08:40 PM 09/04/12 08:40 PM
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jlatessa pro stock J Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,317 Ohio	Yes, that might improve it but I think it is more resistant to the twisting moment that those with just the gusset. Joe

Re: Replacing upper control arms with tubular arms,wider? [Re: DAYCLONA] #1295392 09/04/12 09:30 PM 09/04/12 09:30 PM
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BDW master Joined: May 2005 Posts: 4,727 Florida	Quote: Although it's not the "norm", what about considering pressing the bushings out, and installing them so that the larger sholder is inboard?...the bushing would still do the same job, just be orientated in an alternate position...would that reduction of the shoulder on the outboard reduce your overall width enough to mount the arm?...just an idea Mike There's your answer, removing the width of those 2 shoulders will allow it to fit. Great idea!

Re: Replacing upper control arms with tubular arms,wider? [Re: BDW] #1295393 09/05/12 01:33 AM 09/05/12 01:33 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,912 APACHE JUNCTION AZ J Joesixpack OP I Live Here
Joesixpack OP I Live Here J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,912 APACHE JUNCTION AZ	I do not know who made them,my buddy bought a K-frame,lowers,tubular uppers,gear box,steering linkage from some guy in Ohio. Everything was powder coated,even the spindles,i had to get him a different k-frame as it was bent,would not even bolt in.I just swapped the entire works over to a new k-frame,and started the install into the car. We just did my car in 09&2010 so most of it was still fresh in my mind.Will press busings in farther on both side and attempt install on sat.

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