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Re: s/s hemi car cost to build?
[Re: Frito]
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08/08/12 01:03 PM
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sixpackbee
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I still say 150 will build a mid pack car given the right people are at work on it.
1959 Bugeye Sprite
1967 Charger Black L code
1967 Coronet R/T Convert Green 440 auto bought from original owner
1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM
1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96
1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car
1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85
1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96
1970 Road Runner RM21N B3 V1X D13
1971 MG Midget
1971 Road Runner RM23H GW3, A57
1972 Road Runner RM23P FY1, D21
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Re: s/s hemi car cost to build?
[Re: mbogina]
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08/08/12 01:08 PM
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Cab_Burge
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You can be very competitve for less than some of numbers thrown out here, what cost some racers 300K to accomplish, others can do the same for less than half, sometimes waaaay less than half. Some racers will spend 7 figures per year on their racing operation, others less than 2 cents for their dollar. It is all about the challenge and the desire, $$$ won't guarantee success, but can certainly shorten the timeline.
 I've help several NHRA racers build cars that set NHRA Stock and SS records. Time, money,knowing which parts to buy and use, and the effort to excell all play in acheiving any goal in life, sometimes luck even comes into play   As far as how much money, it is directly related to how much you can do your self and your standards of exceptance and acheivement.
Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
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Re: s/s hemi car cost to build?
[Re: Cab_Burge]
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08/08/12 01:38 PM
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Frito
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"Depending on how you look at it, you only need to go 9.20's in the heat to be competitive from a bracket race"
Triple Threat. 9.20 will not qualify at most NHRA races and for sure will not make the SS field at Indy this year.If you can't make the show it doesen't matter what you run. 9.20 is a bottom of the pack number and I know some great bracket racers that run 10s so I don't get where 9.20 makes a good bracket car. And if you look the OP stated a "heads Up Hemi car", I don't take heads up as bracket racing. Stop In at Indy on Friday in a couple of weeks an see for yourself. And who said this board was getting boring. Now where is Hemi Fred? HAHA
Last edited by Frito; 08/08/12 01:48 PM.
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Re: s/s hemi car cost to build?
[Re: Frito]
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08/08/12 01:49 PM
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Triple Threat
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"Depending on how you look at it, you only need to go 9.20's in the heat to be competitive from a bracket race"
Triple Threat. 9.20 will not qualify at most NHRA races and for sure will not make the SS field at Indy this year.If you can't make the show it doesen't matter what you run. 9.20 is a bottom of the pack number and I know some great bracket racers that run 10s so I don't get where 9.20 makes a good bracket car.
We're getting off topic a bit, but aside from Indy and a few other big events most NHRA races lately don't even have a full field, so if you can cover the index, you can qualify. There were only 20 Super Stock cars at the Seattle national this weekend, and 2 of them were legal stockers who jumped over, including the eventual winner Joe Sorenson.
My point was there aren't many SS/AH cars around, so your chances of a heads up race are small. The actual ET the car runs is not of concern, Just a number on the window. You can win super stock in a 11-12 second car or an 8 second car.
I believe the OP, given he is a heads up racer, was more interested in what it costs to run with the big boys aka 8.50's or better.
-Dustin
67 Dart, 9 second, 392" G3 Hemi
68 Barracuda 340 F/SA
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Re: s/s hemi car cost to build?
[Re: Triple Threat]
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08/08/12 03:58 PM
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Arkansas
Adrielp
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The other thing working against you is that the Super Stock Hemi market is small and highly specialized meaning that there are only maybe 4 or 5 builders that know how to make tier 1 horsepower. They essentially set the market value price and if they are going fast, people want there stuff. I would imagine if you had some know how and access to a machine shop, you could make it go fast for less. But you would need to know how to grind and design your own cams, intakes, and port your own heads. Valvetrain is key as well. If you can get the motor to live, you have found a way to reduce the cost substantially. I've heard that dropped valves have been the most significant issues. I do think that there is more to ET gains to be found in the chassis, driveline, and suspension but that is where testing becomes necessary and most couldn't afford it. I told my dad, the best thing you could do is test with another motor that has similar HP and Torque, but will live for 80 runs or so. You could get the car very close then make small adjustment from there. It wouldn't be perfect but its more knowledge to know what chassis, suspension, driveline combos work best.
PS: I think we also need to separate the cost of building a competitive car vs. the cost of building a competitive car and maintaining the cost related to keeping it there? Of course engine maintenance and keeping up with updates is going to incur more costs as well as engine development as a whole.
Adriel Paradise
Substation Design Engineer III
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Re: s/s hemi car cost to build?
[Re: Adrielp]
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08/08/12 04:30 PM
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ROSSIO
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Just wondering how much the heads up class hemi cars cost to build? AS ALWAYS--i think this thread got out of hand A LITTLE . i feel cold85 was just wanting a close price and we gave it to him,i respect all the other responces  and i hope cold85 has what he is looking for   
1970 DART B1MC N/A
8.86@ [Email]155
3200 lb on 275 DR
5.30 @ 130 1/8
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Re: s/s hemi car cost to build?
[Re: JAKE68]
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08/08/12 10:51 PM
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Spyphish
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A bucking funch of money$$$$
CALMED THE QUAKE!!!(AGAIN!)
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Re: s/s hemi car cost to build?
[Re: Spyphish]
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08/09/12 08:17 AM
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Chris'sBarracuda
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A bucking funch of money$$$$
So..... How many of these $$$$$
does RM charge..
Chris.. 
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Re: s/s hemi car cost to build?
[Re: cold85]
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08/09/12 11:08 AM
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Adrielp
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My question was answered thanks but just wondering what are the basic rules I searched but looks like i have to download it to get them from NHRA
The car weight is set per Nhra's stock car classification guide. Minimum weight now is 3190 if I calculated correctly(3020+170).
OEM Block, Heads(porting and epoxy allowed), Oiling system(no dry sump),
Bore: 4.25 +-0.07
Stroke: 3.75 +-0.01
Rod length: 6.861, must be within 2% of a certain weight and on the accepted manufacturers list.
13.5:1 Compression, 79.5cc chamber, 2x4 Holley 660(I think), 2.25x1.94 5/16 Intake and Exhaust valves.
Intake Runner CC: 189cc
Exhaust Runner CC: 107cc
32x14 slick, race ready car with OEM street equipment and upholstery. 4 links allowed, 48inch max wheelie bar, original seat location, most of stock flooring must be kept, most of the OEM front suspension must be kept(lighter parts are allowed), and boom you have SS/AH hemi car.
Just trying to summarize as best I could. Any of the Super Stock guys in here can correct my mistakes.
Adriel Paradise
Substation Design Engineer III
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Re: s/s hemi car cost to build?
[Re: Spyphish]
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08/09/12 07:31 PM
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Chris'sBarracuda
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A bucking funch of money$$$$
So..... How many of these $$$$$
does RM charge..
Chris..
Just being flip on the money. I  could not be happier with the R&M guys. Not worried about their Hemi car pulling up to race me and I am the club. We will know how we are doing soon. Stephen
I think it's great to see builders like R&M and Pettis doing Mopar stuff and making huge HP..
Can't be a bad thing.. 
Chris.. 
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