Re: A Little Disappointed--Victor Heads
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Are these the newer style (heart shaped chambers)? If you can remove your headers, and look in the ex. ports you will see a fuel trail on the floor of the port. If it's wide, like more than 3/8" then the cam is wasting too much intake charge out the exhaust.
With that compression you really need a MW port. Even at altitude! Try lashing the cam hard, like .035 hot and see if it picks up any e.t. or mph. I think your intake tract is too small for what your doing and the cam is a bit wrong, but not horrible. Brian
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Re: A Little Disappointed--Victor Heads
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The heads is not in question, they should be a pick up over his 915 ! The heads will like to be run at a higher rpm package than what he has ran before, maybe as much as 1100 more rpm . the bigger the port the more air that is there you have to move, That air ,The cam is not one that I would have picked, even if it was laying around, The '590' maybe a little better 'choice' with the 1.6 rockers, having said that,, think I would call my cam maker, say this is what I have , and know! what is better with the combo I have run ?
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Re: A Little Disappointed--Victor Heads
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Old combo:915 heads with very mild back-yard port job, Venolia domed pistons, Howards aluminum rods,MP .590 flat tappet cam, Crane 1.5 rockers,Torker manifold, Holley 850 DP carb...
Changes made:Edelbrock Victor heads, Hughes 1.6 rockers, Edelbrock Victor 2886 intake, the above mentioned Comp Cams cam
My 2-cents: 1) Changing from a Torker to Victor 383 intake was a good idea Victor 383 info sheet The attached comparison is a milder motor, but FYI.
2) The headers sound good. 3) It is likely the heads just don't flow a lot more than the 915's (~78cc ?). But they did show a gain OOTB. 4) That is a weird cam choice, but I just don't know.
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Re: A Little Disappointed--Victor Heads
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These are the numbers used for calculating compression: Bore is 4.36, stroke is 3.75, deck heighth of piston is 0, gasket is .040, combustion chamber is 75CC, piston dome is 21CC. Maybe someone can check the math--it wouldn't be the first mistake I've made!
I calculate the same CR, ~15.3 assuming zero deck. But if the CH of the piston isn't perfectly matched to the deck height, the CR is still likely over 14.0. i.e. 0.027 below the deck (not including dome) for aluminum rods (piston to head) gives 14.1 CR
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Re: A Little Disappointed--Victor Heads
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Did u try adding some jet to the carb?
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Re: A Little Disappointed--Victor Heads
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that cam is actually fairly typical for a std port window 440-ish sized motor in a lite bracket car. although, its not what i would have recommended for the elevation you race at. a little less duration, and a little wider lsa to help try and keep some of that precious air in the motor so you can get some work out of it.
those lobes will want a fair amount of spring pressure to maintain full control of the valvetrain with 1.6 rockers and 7200+ type of rpms. i'd say at least 250 seat/650 open as a minimum.
all that being said, i dont think theres going to be any cam thats going to end up being some "silver bullet" type of cure.
if they are the newer version heads, i thought i saw where Brain said the low lift numbers were a bit soft OOTB.
i would see if you could borrow a dominator from a friend and see what that does.
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Re: A Little Disappointed--Victor Heads
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Here's an update to my setup as of 03/2013: I moved the cam centerline from 106 to 111. Re-installed the 4:30 rear gears, and went to larger jets in the 850 Holley carb (79s primary, with PV, and 88s in the secondaries, wanted 80s in the pri side, but didn't have them with me). In Phoenix,with DAs in the 1000' range, and 1.82 sec on the throttle stop, the car netted 154 MPH on a couple passes--7 MPH more than previous best. BTW, lost 1st round at the AZ Nationals, lost 1st round at the divisional event, went to the 3rd round at the regional event.
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Re: A Little Disappointed--Victor Heads
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Sounds like it came around for ya........... NICE........
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Re: A Little Disappointed--Victor Heads
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not to hijack but i have a similiar experience with installing a small roller with almost exact same specs. went from a mopar .620 cam with 1.6 rockers to a cam dynamics .660 same specs as op. changes were to new springs, 1.5 rockers, and pushrods for length. i installed it at 106 as called for on cam card as i didnt check p/v clearance at different installed c/l. i netted no change at all. car has been fastest with the old comp cam .650 cam installed at 101 c/l. that cam has 290@.050, go figure.
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