Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ?
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07/17/12 04:54 PM
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If you wanted a big block muscle car with a stick then you had to settle for a 383. I don't know if there was a limit to the rpms but my '69 RR came factory equipped with 4 speed and a 3.55 peformance axle package. Still have a copy of the build sheet. Besides the AC it had power windows, pdb, ps, am/fm, tinted glass, rear defogger, road wheels, fender turn signals, bucket seats, and hood perf. paint. And of course it was green. The intake manifold, heads, and 1/2 the AC system are still sitting out in the garage. The last owner didn't want them.
All these '68-'69 383-4v RR's and SBees with a/c (stick or auto) came with a slightly detuned 383 with a 10% lower compression ratio and a weaker cam). This was a 383 Commando engine even if some or all of them were badged or called Magnum or "road runner" engines. I never saw a factory documented 440-4v stick car with A/C. But saw a couple of them that "claimed" to be legit (ie undocumented).
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Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ?
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07/23/12 05:06 PM
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Uh, no. Not buying either part of that one.
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Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ?
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07/23/12 05:41 PM
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Just goes to show you that these things did happen.
....sure they happened.... but about 10X less frequently than you hear about though. Most of these stories are, well....just stories.
...never heard about the factory 6 pack 426 Hemi cars? or the 1974 Hemi cars? or the 440 Hemis or...well, you get the idea. We've all heard of these "weren't supposed to exist type cars". I suppose whether or not you choose to believe depends on your own personality, but IMO the VAST majority of these stories are about cars that simply didn't exist; they were modified (yes, sometimes even before they left the lot) or the owner's recollection isn't quite up to snuff. and then sometimes people just make stuff up for a variety of reasons. Several times over the years people have come to me with one of these stories and every time when I looked at the car, I found that it wasn't really what it was claimed to be.
funny how usually there is absolutely nothing concrete to back these claims up.
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Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ?
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07/24/12 12:51 PM
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'Anything like this was available from any auto manufacturer if you were the right person.'
Bullseye...
We've talked to enough folks from Lynch Road, and Hamtramck to know this as fact...
How would they handle options that the model line NEVER had? The 69 R/T listed above is said to have a POWER SEAT, that wasn't even available in a B body till something like 75 or 76 ... if at all.
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Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ?
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07/24/12 12:54 PM
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All these '68-'69 383-4v RR's and SBees with a/c (stick or auto) came with a slightly detuned 383 with a 10% lower compression ratio and a weaker cam). This was a 383 Commando engine even if some or all of them were badged or called Magnum or "road runner" engines. I never saw a factory documented 440-4v stick car with A/C. But saw a couple of them that "claimed" to be legit (ie undocumented).
Somewhat incorrect , the 330HP 383 , which is what the A/C RR and SB had had the same overstated compression ratio as the 335hp engine , 10.0 , but actually 9.2. The camshaft, valve springs and the tune were the difference.
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Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ?
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07/24/12 03:53 PM
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My bad. I said 318 he said V8 in the 65 Barracuda.
In the case of the /6 manual trans 1966 Charger, why not? The Coronet built on the same platform was available that way. All the parts were available and a 4 speed fits the same bellhousing as a 3 speed.
Now I'll buy the Barracuda story. Still ain't buying the Charger story, and now not going for the Coronet one either. No 4spd even with the 318. 361 2bbl and up. Barracuda had \6 4spd option tho in 64-65, not sure of 66. For some reason, I think this was dropped.
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Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ?
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07/24/12 04:24 PM
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I caught up with my buddy and his Charger. It was born an automatic. My bad, everyone.
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Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ?
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I caught up with my buddy and his Charger. It was born an automatic. My bad, everyone.
How about that power seat claim ???
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Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ?
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07/24/12 05:35 PM
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1966 Sport Fury 440 4spd and air factory was dual snorkle air cleaner engine saw it rode in it and almost bought it Know the right people and any combo is possible
Yes but in 1966 only a 350 h.p. engine was available which had the lower lift cam unlike the 383 H.P. and the 440s with same came that came in the 375 h.p.
The reason A/C was not available with 4 speed and high lift cam was because of problems with overreved compressors.
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Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ?
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The reason A/C was not available with 4 speed and high lift cam was because of problems with overreved compressors.
Yes I agree, that was the reason given! Though I never agreed with it.
In 1973 we sold a Duster340, 4spd and air to a soldier who was going to be in Texas for a couple years. Was a really neat car, buckets,console,dark green/white vinyl top white interior, rallyes,PS PDB etc pretty loaded up car for a Duster. And even then a/c was sort of an oddity for us, in Vermont.
Took it back in trade a few years later, sold it to a deadbeat named Ricky Roberts who blew the engine.
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Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ?
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07/25/12 02:09 AM
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Yes but in 1966 only a 350 h.p. engine was available which had the lower lift cam unlike the 383 H.P. and the 440s with same came that came in the 375 h.p.
The reason A/C was not available with 4 speed and high lift cam was because of problems with overreved compressors.
D, a couple of thoughts.....
The 68-69 383 four speed A/C cars came with the 330 horse engine. Why couldn't the 440-four speed A/C cars come with the lower powered 440?
Compressor speed - couldn't that have been easily solved with a different size pulley?
383-4speed A/C car production is relatively small. There were a lot fewer 440 equipped cars. How large of a market could there have been for this combination? Would you have sold 10? 20? 100? a year?
Would it have been worth it (remember Chrysler was supposed to be a for profit business) to design, build, ship, store, inventory and promote the availability plus deal with any back end warranty or repair issues for a small run?
(Just to reminder, the only thing that made the 66 383 an "HP" was making it a 4-bbl. There wasn't an 383 335 HP variant in the B bodies until 68 nor the 440 HP cam until 67. No 375 horse 440 until 67. Just want to keep our engines straight to keep the thread on topic)
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