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Re: MuuMuu's 68 Dart... It's a Learning Process... [Re: MuuMuu101] #1267439
12/30/12 12:37 AM
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If you're going to put BBP stuff on it I wouldn't mess with the rotors.

Have you fixed the bum brake booster? If not, I could see that potentially causing them to get glazed.
Fix that then go romp on the brakes good a couple times, that should take care of the glaze.

Re: MuuMuu's 68 Dart... It's a Learning Process... [Re: jon01] #1267440
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If you're going to put BBP stuff on it I wouldn't mess with the rotors.

Have you fixed the bum brake booster? If not, I could see that potentially causing them to get glazed.
Fix that then go romp on the brakes good a couple times, that should take care of the glaze.




Thanks. I have no bbp stuff on me. I may get to the MC swap tomorrow, but there's a lot of work. It's pretty cold and I don't know if we'll have enough time. Pads look good. Lots of material left on them. Steering column may be done and together tomorrow.

Re: MuuMuu's 68 Dart... It's a Learning Process... [Re: JDMopar] #1267441
12/30/12 03:09 PM
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Sometimes, us old guys are like that. If he's like me, he may have meant to take it off and change....but got wrapped up in what he was doing and forgot!



sounds like me. I've ruined countless pairs of jeans because I ran out to the garage to 'look at something' and ended up working on something, meaning to come back of after I changed. By that time they are already dirty.


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Re: MuuMuu's 68 Dart... It's a Learning Process... [Re: MuuMuu101] #1267442
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Going to get back to work in a few minutes.

Re: MuuMuu's 68 Dart... It's a Learning Process... [Re: MuuMuu101] #1267443
12/30/12 11:03 PM
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So there was some good and bads in today. I'll start with the goods just to keep the glass half full. The good part about today is the steering column is all done and we started on working on the firewall. Here are pictures of the entire steering column assembly (I didn't restore the steering wheel)...




And of course here are some pictures of the firewall and how it is now. We're planning on wire wheeling around the new cutout and bending a new piece of sheet metal to replace the old one.




Now for the bad news. Taking a better look at my disc brake assembly at the very least, my pads and rotors are way gone. The rotors are way glazed over and have this little notch/crevace on them that made the pads stick to them. You can even see in the picture how bad the pads are. At the very least my calipers may need a rebuild and who knows if they are even rebuildable or worth rebuilding/replacing. I'm wondering if I should switch to bbp now or what I should do... Anyways, here are pictures of the carnage.




Re: MuuMuu's 68 Dart... It's a Learning Process... [Re: MuuMuu101] #1267444
12/31/12 03:35 AM
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Pads look fine to me. Hard to tell for sure without a side view, but it looks like plenty of 'meat' left. My guess is the last owner, or some previous owner, ran the pads down metal to metal, and the rivets dug a groove. When they got around to changing them, they never turned or replaced the rotor. So the new pads wore to the surface that they were given. Are both inside and outside pads close in thickness? If one is metal and one has life left, you could have a calipers/brake hose problem. If they are equal, or close to it, you have a sticking piston or the calipers isn't sliding.


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Re: MuuMuu's 68 Dart... It's a Learning Process... [Re: OhioMopar] #1267445
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Pads look fine to me. Hard to tell for sure without a side view, but it looks like plenty of 'meat' left. My guess is the last owner, or some previous owner, ran the pads down metal to metal, and the rivets dug a groove. When they got around to changing them, they never turned or replaced the rotor. So the new pads wore to the surface that they were given. Are both inside and outside pads close in thickness? If one is metal and one has life left, you could have a calipers/brake hose problem. If they are equal, or close to it, you have a sticking piston or the calipers isn't sliding.




Both pads have quite a bit of meat on them; however, it's like this on both sides of the rotor.

Re: MuuMuu's 68 Dart... It's a Learning Process... [Re: MuuMuu101] #1267446
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Pads look fine to me. Hard to tell for sure without a side view, but it looks like plenty of 'meat' left. My guess is the last owner, or some previous owner, ran the pads down metal to metal, and the rivets dug a groove. When they got around to changing them, they never turned or replaced the rotor. So the new pads wore to the surface that they were given. Are both inside and outside pads close in thickness? If one is metal and one has life left, you could have a calipers/brake hose problem. If they are equal, or close to it, you have a sticking piston or the calipers isn't sliding.




Both pads have quite a bit of meat on them; however, it's like this on both sides of the rotor.



Someone ran the old pads into the rotors. That tells you the calipers don't have sticking pistons and they are sliding like they are supposed to. Your pads are just worn to the grooves that the lack of maintenance provided.
Look at the steering coupler and firewall. Do you think regular maintenance was performed!?
You are moving right along! Borrow a mic or find out if your auto parts store of choice can mic/turn them for you and keep you within replacement spec. I'm pretty sure the small bolt rotors are plenty expensive. So as for changing to big bolt now, I'm not sure what would be more cost effective. Does Rock Auto have a listing for the rotors?
Best case scenario is that you can turn them flat, throw some new pads on it, and have fun! Can't really tell how bad the grooves are in there.
Back in the day my dad actually had a rotor brazed because he couldn't find a replacement and possibly couldn't afford a new one. (International Travelall) We used to do strange stuff to vehicles. I once rebuilt an alternator instead of replacing it!
Wow, that got long. Keep up the good work. Fingers crossed you can save the rotor and some money.


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Re: MuuMuu's 68 Dart... It's a Learning Process... [Re: OhioMopar] #1267447
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Rotors and pads from rockauto are going to cost me about $100 + shipping, which I honestly don't mind paying. It just may take a couple extra days to get here. At least the pads aren't sticking (which is good). I'm going to see if I can take off all the pads and rotors within the next 2 days for better inspection.

Re: MuuMuu's 68 Dart... It's a Learning Process... [Re: MuuMuu101] #1267448
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At that price, screw messing with the old stuff! Put new rotors and pads on and enjoy your car! I don't know what turning them would cost, but if they are close to the end of their life cycle, why gamble!


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Re: MuuMuu's 68 Dart... It's a Learning Process... [Re: OhioMopar] #1267449
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At that price, screw messing with the old stuff! Put new rotors and pads on and enjoy your car! I don't know what turning them would cost, but if they are close to the end of their life cycle, why gamble!






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Re: MuuMuu's 68 Dart... It's a Learning Process... [Re: MuuMuu101] #1267450
12/31/12 08:29 PM
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Small bolt pattern rotors for $100? Is that each, or for both? Double check before you get too far along. Last time I checked on a set of small bolt pattern rotors, they were like $175 each. Not being critical of what you're doing,cause it's a good plan if the rotors and pads are that cheap.

Re: MuuMuu's 68 Dart... It's a Learning Process... [Re: JDMopar] #1267451
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Small bolt pattern rotors for $100? Is that each, or for both? Double check before you get too far along. Last time I checked on a set of small bolt pattern rotors, they were like $175 each. Not being critical of what you're doing,cause it's a good plan if the rotors and pads are that cheap.




It was about $40+ per rotor on rockauto. It should be 5x4 as they quote it's for A-bodies between 68-72 (only sbp vehicles).

Re: MuuMuu's 68 Dart... It's a Learning Process... [Re: MuuMuu101] #1267452
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More work done tonight and more to come tomorrow. I degreased my steering wheel a little to clean it up and get some of that crud off. Also took off my oil breather and repainted it. Lastly, I started to remove all the rotors and pads. Almost done. Just waiting for the PB Blaster to work on the passenger side. Of course, pictures are always provided...

Breather:





Driver's side brakes:








Even if these pads and rotors may still be usable, I'd have more of a piece of mind if they were replaced so I ordered some new rotors (not CD/Slot) and pads. Plus it was a good learning experience trying to take apart the entire disc brake setup.

Happy New Years Moparts!

Re: MuuMuu's 68 Dart... It's a Learning Process... [Re: MuuMuu101] #1267453
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Good work, man! I agree totally with the peace of mind of new brakes. One system you never want to skimp on!


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Great progress!!
You're going to have to knock out the old studs to reuse the hub on the new rotors. you can have them pressed out somewhere or use a hammer at home. The way I did it was to thread a spare lugnut on backwards to get the nut and stud at the same flat height. Then smack it flatly with a smooth faced hammer/3lb sledge. When its loose then un thread the nut and repeat 9x. The lug nut will be ruined but the thread and stud will be saved. If you need some spare lug nuts let me know I've got some spares you can have. Keep up the good work!

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It was about $40+ per rotor on rockauto. It should be 5x4 as they quote it's for A-bodies between 68-72 (only sbp vehicles).

That's awesome! More than likely,it's just the rotors, and you will have to take both your new and old rotors to a machine shop and get the hubs pressed off the old rotors and pressed onto the new rotors. If they show up as unicast rotors/hubs in small bolt pattern, that's even better, as they are less prone to warping.

Re: MuuMuu's 68 Dart... It's a Learning Process... [Re: JDMopar] #1267456
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Thanks guys, I actually have access to a couple presses at school so I can take it into the shop after hours one day to press out the studs and press in the new ones (if I get them). I should pull off the passenger's side today (those caliper bolts were super angry yesterday) and I may work on some little details around the car.

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Great...that will save you some more $$. Don't forget to take a few lug nuts with you (L&R) to screw down on the studs when you press them out. The threads are easy to screw up. DAMHIK!

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Great...that will save you some more $$. Don't forget to take a few lug nuts with you (L&R) to screw down on the studs when you press them out. The threads are easy to screw up. DAMHIK!




That's the funny thing though. When I was taking off the wheels earlier, I believe someone has already replaced my studs with RHT studs. I'm going to check it out later today to make sure.

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