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Seeking Advice: Sequence of Painting a Car #1244694
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I've spent the past few years reading all I can to get ready for paintig this 1969 Charger by reading and researching, but still have some questions on sequence.

The car is completely stripped down and on a rotisserie. I am using PPG products only and will paint the exterior in base coat/clear coat.
I am thinking about using a PPG single coat for the under carriage, interior, trunk and engine compartment for simplicity. Is this a good idea or am I missing something?

What about the underside of the hood, trunk and door jams? Is it ok to do this in single stage and the exterior in base/clear? I am shooting the above in my garage and the exterior will be painted in a rented paint booth by I more competent painter. I have to have the car ready so that at the paint booth, all we have to do is paint the exterior. Well, I'm sure we could do door jams and trink jams but the hood and trunk have to be installed. I want to do as much as I can ahead of time so that we can focus on the exterior when it is time.

I could go on with questios but will stop here. I appreciate any feedback!

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CAC


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Re: Seeking Advice: Sequence of Painting a Car [Re: 69rrgrabber] #1244695
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there may be some excellent painters on this site but since its an all Mopar site & not paint specific I'd pose the question at the links below.

ON the SPI site theres a link titled "perfect paint job", worth a read. Lots of great info on both these sites,keep reading!

My .02 cents - epoxy the undercarriage, you can color it if you want after that or coat w/undercoating (bedliner, lizard skin, etc...) good luck on the paint job.

http://www.spiuserforum.com/forum.php
http://www.autobody101.com/forums/

Re: Seeking Advice: Sequence of Painting a Car [Re: 69rrgrabber] #1244696
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I don't know what the "idea" is to paint the car with single stage here and there, BC/CC on the mainbody, etc, etc,....paint everything with the SAME paint you intend to use period....


Seeing that the car is being jambed at one location, and shipped out for the overall finish,...which is fine, some prefer it that way...


I would recommend you paint the undercarriage in the manner you prefer, along with the engine compartment, door jambs, trunk jambs,...whether you decide to paint the underside of the hood, trunk lid, door backside with these panels off. is your call, reassembly usual results in paint damage, but it can be done, hopefully when you body preped the car all panels were hung and tweaked for alignment as well as block sanded as an assembled complete car, later disassembly/re-assembly is fine for complete coverage during jambing,...however the car going to the painter for just the final finish should be assembled, meaning doors, trunk, hood, valances, etc that are going to be body color, once at the "painter" all the painted jambs should be sealed with apperture foam tape/and/or back taped with masking tape to create a soft blend line between the pre painted jambs and the freshly painted body, note if you jamb the car, all your jamb "lines" of paint should be soft from using a back taping procedure, don't just spray a jamb, or panel backside without creating a soft blend edge, because a sloppy jamb line will show itself later,....the car being jambed should be in it's final base prep coat of primer or sealer, jambing and final paint should be all that being applied to the body, all final sanding, sealing, priming MUST be done before jambing, jambing and primary paint should be your last steps,...all body bolts should be installed that are intended to be body color, anything not being painted body color should not be on the car, I'm amazed at the people that go to extremes jambing a car, only to finish paint it with detailed accessory, or driveline installed, suspension, etc....doesn't make sense, plus leads to a lot of clean up, or a poor looking finish/assembly afterwards...

if the undercarriage is going to retain a showcar finish, vs a factory oversprayed resto finish, tape and paper off the undercarriage, as well as the engine compartment, underside of hood/trunk, along with apperture tape, as overspray at the final paint gets EVERYWHERE, the HOURS spent papering and taping beat the DAYS cleaning, wetsanding, and buffing/polishing the areas you pre-jambed...

take your time, do it right, do it once, don't cheap out and cut corners, and you'll be rewarded with a quality paint job

Mike

Re: Seeking Advice: Sequence of Painting a Car [Re: DAYCLONA] #1244697
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Your jamb paint lines should be clean and sharp looking in appearance on the edges where primary paint will meet up with the jamb, yet have a soft paint edge, not a hard paint tape line, you can achieve that with careful backtaping


like so

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Re: Seeking Advice: Sequence of Painting a Car [Re: DAYCLONA] #1244698
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A poorly painted jamb like below could result with a dark band or texture difference in the final paint job,...meaning it'll look like crap, and you'll be repainting the car...

what not to do

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proper prep for jambing....

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Your jamb paint lines should be clean and sharp looking in appearance on the edges where primary paint will meet up with the jamb, yet have a soft paint edge, not a hard paint tape line, you can achieve that with careful backtaping


like so




Can you explain back taping? I know that a hard edge is bad, but cannot get in my head how you achieve a soft edge with proper masking.


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Re: Seeking Advice: Sequence of Painting a Car [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1244701
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Can you explain back taping? I know that a hard edge is bad, but cannot get in my head how you achieve a soft edge with proper masking.




tape flat on surface = hard line

tape "rolled" allows for a soft line

requires practice to acheive best results

Re: Seeking Advice: Sequence of Painting a Car [Re: pacifica] #1244702
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Re: Seeking Advice: Sequence of Painting a Car [Re: pacifica] #1244703
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Can you explain back taping? I know that a hard edge is bad, but cannot get in my head how you achieve a soft edge with proper masking.




tape flat on surface = hard line

tape "rolled" allows for a soft line

requires practice to acheive best results






Great pics Steve Often hard to describe in words...

One can "backtape" to the point the tape is almost flat, but still maintaining a slight roll over, the larger the rollover the broader the softness of the edge...

Backtaping basically allows the paint edge to fade out gradually, so that when you apply apperture tape to the previously painted jamb and close the door/trunk/hood/etc, you leave a faded paint edge exposed, yet the foam apperture tape seals the panel gap, yet allows the primary body paint to merge/blend on the exposed edge...if all is done properly, it looks like all the jambs and major body were painted all at once,...hence the need to paint the car with the SAME paint, not gaffing it by jambing it with single stage here and there and then BC/CC on the main body, or a cheaper brand BC/CC in the jambs/trunk/etc...

Mike

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Aperture tape....foam tube with an adhesive masking stripe,...you just tear/seperate what you need, and apply, it's self sticking

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An example of applying aperture tape to a door jamb prior to painting a car, the aperture tape acts just like backtaping, a rolled surface allowing the paint drifting into the panel gap to achieve a soft edge inorder to blend with the previously painted jamb, yet sealing out overspray that could dull your freshly previously painted jambs

Mike

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Interesting, thanks.

For the jams then you shoot all coats start to finish, base, clear, etc.?

And then when you mask/close the jams up with the foam tape when painting the exterior the exterior product just fades in over the faded jam edges, correct?


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i have been using 3M transition tape for a while now. it leaves a better soft line in the jambs than the aperture tape.
transition tape is a pre made rolled over masking tape. the glue is in the center and has clear tape wider than the adhesive.
it also helps to not leave a sealer line in the jambs when using aperture tape.
here is a link to the transition tape.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j..._o77eqC0ZgaBc6w


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Re: Seeking Advice: Sequence of Painting a Car [Re: 69rrgrabber] #1244708
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Wow, that was more than I hoped for! I had no clue about how to tape to get soft lines, the books don't teach that one! Thanks for the insider info. I will stick to the clear/base and follow that excellent advice!

Thanks
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Interesting, thanks.

For the jams then you shoot all coats start to finish, base, clear, etc.?

And then when you mask/close the jams up with the foam tape when painting the exterior the exterior product just fades in over the faded jam edges, correct?









Yes Sir....A lot of work but the results are worth it

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Thanks to all for the excellent descriptions and pictures in this post-big help to those of us who are gearing up for this stage of a project!

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like to use a single stage urethane on the under side. Straight single stage uretane 1st coat, 2nd coat 50/50, last coat all clear. Sometimes I do the trunk and engine bay the way too as it's more durable.

I do the jambs, edge panels and so on then assemble and spray the exterior and use the foam tape on the edges. I don't like to paint the car apart, panels seperate as it's too easy to chip while adjusting the fitment of panels.


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Epox prime everything, I assemble the body the way the factory did. Do my body body work, 2K and block to 600 wet. do a coat in the jambs, trunk, engine bay, do a coat on the outside while its flashing. Same with the clear. This way you have No tape lines to worry about.

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Epox prime everything, I assemble the body the way the factory did. Do my body body work, 2K and block to 600 wet. do a coat in the jambs, trunk, engine bay, do a coat on the outside while its flashing. Same with the clear. This way you have No tape lines to worry about.






Agreed, but the OP is going to jamb it himself, and farm out the body for primary paint, I can see his point, trying to save some cash on the labour end of the deal, and he's apprehensive about tackling a "FULL" paint job, understandable.....as a note most shops don't like to do paint on another's bodywork/prep..cause when things go wrong, that's when the starts......IMHO I think the OP should attempt his first/own paint job, esp with BC/CC, as it leaves a lot of room for error, and repair to some degree during the paint process... it is preferable to paint the car in the manner the factory did, all at once, body assembled....good luck guys

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