Re: A body front disc brakes
[Re: maxie]
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With all the kits available to put disc brakes on the front of a mopar, do you feel it is better to buy a kit or go junkyarding for the parts?
Working on an A body I understand you can use the 73/76 stuff and have disc and large bolt pattern.
Buy the time you buy the junkyard/swapmeet parts, bead blast, paint, buy bearings, calipers and the hole nine yard wouldnt it be cheaper to buy a kit?
Depends on situation.
If you convert to large bolt pattern then you are forced to convert the rear axles (redrill or axles-brakes), get new rims, and different upper control arms. So that's another possibly added expense. Now, if you were going to change rims anyway that might not be an added expense.
You can now buy rebuilt calipers from Centric at a reasonable price with cores. And disc rotors are availble new to, but you have to press them onto your old hubs.
Then you've got to weigh what you can get a good core A-body disk setup for. I'd think tough to find in a junkyard. I don't know what typical swap prices are for a SBP disk setup in your part of the country.
I wouldn't assume anything until you ran the numbers. Take you intial used core cost and add the piece parts prices from rockauto.com or similar.
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Re: A body front disc brakes
[Re: Jim_Lusk]
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05/13/12 02:59 AM
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I found my setup off of a 74 Dart about 10 yrs ago for $150. Last year I sold just the control arms with poly bushings and fresh balljoints for $125. Its always better to junkyard if you're able and have access.
Mopar to the bone!!!
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Re: A body front disc brakes
[Re: Kern Dog]
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05/13/12 08:36 AM
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all you really need are the dust shields, and knuckles, everything else you can get new. I think new knuckles are even available new now.
first you have figure out what you want to do with the car before you do any thing.
1966 Dart GT
...down to only 1 mopar for the first time in 15 years!
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Re: A body front disc brakes
[Re: 340duster340]
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05/13/12 09:07 AM
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all you really need are the dust shields, and knuckles, everything else you can get new. I think new knuckles are even available new now.
first you have figure out what you want to do with the car before you do any thing.
well over 10 years ago when I swapped my charger over to the A body discs, I had a heck of a time locating the caliper adapters for the 11.75" rotors. Is someone making them new now? If not, add that to the list of Yard parts you will need to source.
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Re: A body front disc brakes
[Re: 340duster340]
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http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=189024Looking for a complete, rebuilt, small bolt pattern, 4 piston Kelsey Hayes disc brake set up? I have this for sale over at forabodiesonly.com and also a set up for sale at this forum, in last months A body, parts for sale section. Take a look, for your consideration.
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Re: A body front disc brakes
[Re: maxie]
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05/13/12 09:23 AM
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With all the kits available to put disc brakes on the front of a mopar, do you feel it is better to buy a kit or go junkyarding for the parts?
Working on an A body I understand you can use the 73/76 stuff and have disc and large bolt pattern.
Buy the time you buy the junkyard/swapmeet parts, bead blast, paint, buy bearings, calipers and the hole nine yard wouldnt it be cheaper to buy a kit?
I'd think the answer depends on what level of braking you are looking for and availability to YOU of the Abody knuckles, caliper adapters, etc..
When I did mine, there weren't many kits for our cars out there so I felt like I stuck it to the man when I was done. There are "kits" out there now that use the F/J/M body knuckle that are cheap compared to other kits from the big names like SSBC and the like. Personally, I wouldn't go the stock route unless you use the 11.75 rotors. Many of the no name kits I see use the smaller rotor.
If I was starting from scratch today, I think I'd be looking at some of the AR engineering products to adapt modern rotors/calipers or just better calipers to stock 11.75 rotors. I priced out adding willwood dynalite calipers to my 11.75 setup and with all the little goodies it was between 5-600. That was with new parts.
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Re: A body front disc brakes
[Re: Pool Fixer]
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What size rims are you going to use? If you are going to updgrade to 11.75 rotors, you have to go 15" rims or bigger. That will tell you what size caliper adapters you will need. The larger adapters can be had on cars like 78 cordobas. The smaller ones are on the 73-76 abodies and such. I have a pair of the slider type caliper adapters for the smaller rotors. I also have a set of caliper adapters and spindles from a 73 B body (same as F/M/J), which are taller, which are again slider caliper adapters for the smaller rotors. If you need any of these items, PM me.
I upgraded an e body to front discs recently. I would say it was cheaper to get the parts myself then buying a kit. I would guess I spent around $300- $325 for everything. New parts were rotors, calipers, pads, bearings, seals, brake pads, and ss flex hose.
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Re: A body front disc brakes
[Re: Pool Fixer]
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05/13/12 11:30 AM
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all you really need are the dust shields, and knuckles, everything else you can get new. I think new knuckles are even available new now.
first you have figure out what you want to do with the car before you do any thing.
well over 10 years ago when I swapped my charger over to the A body discs, I had a heck of a time locating the caliper adapters for the 11.75" rotors. Is someone making them new now? If not, add that to the list of Yard parts you will need to source.
New 11.75 adapters are on the way. Should have them for sale in a few weeks.
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Re: A body front disc brakes
[Re: Rick_Ehrenberg]
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05/13/12 10:06 PM
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The real danger is that many of the Chinese knuckles are cast iron.
Rick
OK that is positively frightening...
FWIW I've done the Mopar Action disc brake swap many times using both pin & slider calipers - everything goes together as it should.
IIRC the last one ran me about $500 all-in, that included used spindles/dust shields, rebuilt calipers, new 1st line rotors, pads, flex lines, inner/outer bearings, seals, the works.
Having put a Mopar on its roof due to a broken axle, I'm not anxious to risk using critical parts of unknown quality....
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