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Difficult shifting in to and out of reverse, A-833 #12268 06/01/04 04:33 PM 06/01/04 04:33 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,204 Fort Worth, TX Clair_Davis OP master
Clair_Davis OP master Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,204 Fort Worth, TX	I recently rebuilt my transmission, and it shifts great in every gear except reverse. Very difficult to get it in to and out of reverse. At first, it seemed like I had the wrong lever on the trans end, and it was going too far forward. I changed the lever out to make the lever more vertical, and it�s better, but still really tough. The shifter is adjusted per the FSM procedure, and it�s no trouble getting the shifter in to the reverse position. It�s just moving it forward and back that�s tough. Any thoughts? Clair 68 Sport Fury Vert (440/727) Getting a heart transplant... 69 Valiant 100 (340/833/EFI)

Re: Difficult shifting in to and out of reverse, A-833 [Re: Clair_Davis] #12269 06/01/04 04:41 PM 06/01/04 04:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,089 Sorrento, BC, Canada 4speeds4me master
4speeds4me master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,089 Sorrento, BC, Canada	Reverse tends to be a bit of a chore to begin with, being square cut gears and all. I'd be thinking you might not actually have a problem...but I can't actually feel what it's doing either... 2 Demons...no, not my kids!

Re: Difficult shifting in to and out of reverse, A-833 [Re: 4speeds4me] #12270 06/01/04 07:22 PM 06/01/04 07:22 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Mine too.. I have to get "tough" w/ the shifter to get reverse. Coming out to another gear is fine. I wonder if the levers in the shifter body are not lined up exactly right??

Re: Difficult shifting in to and out of reverse, A-833 #12271 06/01/04 07:41 PM 06/01/04 07:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,089 Sorrento, BC, Canada 4speeds4me master
4speeds4me master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,089 Sorrento, BC, Canada	Quote: Quote: The shifter is adjusted per the FSM procedure I wonder if the levers in the shifter body are not lined up exactly right?? I think Clair's got that covered. The way I read it it's not getting the reverse gate that's the problem, but the actual engaging/disengaging of the gear. My Verti-Gate obviously has NO other portion of the shifter to be concerned with here, and it's easily twice the pull of the other gears... 2 Demons...no, not my kids!

Re: Difficult shifting in to and out of reverse, A-833 [Re: 4speeds4me] #12272 06/01/04 08:43 PM 06/01/04 08:43 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,204 Fort Worth, TX Clair_Davis OP master
Clair_Davis OP master Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,204 Fort Worth, TX	You pegged it, 4speeds... rowing through the gears is beautiful. I haven't banged on it real hard yet, but shifting quickly is cake. It's when I'm backing up in the morning and have to slam the thing up in to reverse that's getting old. That's a pretty long lever arm (shifter) compared to the reverse lever, and I don't want to break anything. Especially something that would cause me to pull that damn trans again... Maybe I don't have a problem and it's just being tough. More testing to do, I guess... 68 Sport Fury Vert (440/727) Getting a heart transplant... 69 Valiant 100 (340/833/EFI)

Re: Difficult shifting in to and out of reverse, A-833 [Re: Clair_Davis] #12273 06/01/04 10:45 PM 06/01/04 10:45 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 934 Kansas 67208 8 8_Barrel super gas
8_Barrel super gas 8 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 934 Kansas 67208	Reverse detent is out of adjustment. 2 different methods of adjustment depending on which sidecover/lever & fork operation you have. If you "Ain't Skeered" or have "No Fear", it's 'cause you ain't goin' FAST enough!!

Re: Difficult shifting in to and out of reverse, A-833 [Re: 8_Barrel] #12274 06/01/04 11:27 PM 06/01/04 11:27 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,048 Richmond, Tx. (Houston) GTSDave master
GTSDave master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,048 Richmond, Tx. (Houston)	Ok Spill it 8 Barrel, My GTS is a bear to put in reverse. Everything else is smooth as silk. I have the Pre-70 setup in mine. Dave PLEASE Pray for our brothers and sisters in harms way. If you are the owner of a GTS us at the GTS Registry www.gtsregistry.com

Re: Difficult shifting in to and out of reverse, A-833 [Re: Clair_Davis] #12275 06/01/04 11:32 PM 06/01/04 11:32 PM
Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 823 On the open road Hrtbkr super stock
Hrtbkr super stock Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 823 On the open road	I'm no expert, but here's how I solved the same problem I had with my car. Loosen all the side cover bolts and pry the cover towards the top of the transmission. Tighten the bolts back down while still prying up. While outside on the turnpike They got this new hit tune Where thrills become as cheap as gas And gas as cheap as thrills

Re: Difficult shifting in to and out of reverse, A-833 [Re: 8_Barrel] #12276 06/01/04 11:33 PM 06/01/04 11:33 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,204 Fort Worth, TX Clair_Davis OP master
Clair_Davis OP master Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,204 Fort Worth, TX	Ditto here, I'm all ears. My trans is a 72 close-ratio trans with the early side cover, if that makes a difference. I also drove this trans prior to the rebuild, and it was MUCH easier to get in to reverse. Clair 68 Sport Fury Vert (440/727) Getting a heart transplant... 69 Valiant 100 (340/833/EFI)

Re: Difficult shifting in to and out of reverse, A-833 [Re: Clair_Davis] #12277 06/02/04 12:48 AM 06/02/04 12:48 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 934 Kansas 67208 8 8_Barrel super gas
8_Barrel super gas 8 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 934 Kansas 67208	This will take awhile as I do not have a scanner & I type slow. I had the same problem 6/7 years ago when I installed a tranny in my bride's ride. I had pulled the side cover when I bought the trans. On early side cover tranny's when you pull the side cover you have to readjust the reverse detent, once done it is as sweet as it is s'poed to be. Lem'me look it up & I'll get right back. If you "Ain't Skeered" or have "No Fear", it's 'cause you ain't goin' FAST enough!!

reverse detent adjustment A-833 per 68 Ply FSM.. [Re: Hrtbkr] #12278 06/02/04 01:11 AM 06/02/04 01:11 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 934 Kansas 67208 8 8_Barrel super gas
8_Barrel super gas 8 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 934 Kansas 67208	After you have the sidecover on & tightened the bolts only finger tight (this can be accomplished with the tranny in the car& it's not a terrible chore. If you have plenty of fluid in your tranny, ya might wanna' drain a little!). "(4)Shift transmission into reverse, then tighten the 2 end center alignment bolts slightly. Tap shift housing downward to cause a drag between the lever "cams" when shifting in & out of reverse. To obtain a better feel of the drag, back out the detent spring plug. Hold reverse detent ball-spring retainer tight against the case with a wrench while removing the plug. If a drag condition cannot be obtained, install a new 1st & 2nd lever (stamped A or B) which are selective in cam size. (5) A light drag or interference is desirable; therefore, tap shift housing upward just enough so that a very light drag can be felt when shifting in & out of reverse. Tighten shift housing bolts securely & recheck reverse shift effort. Readjust if necessary. Install & tighten reverse detent spring plug. If I had a soapbox to holler from it would be about folks that don't use shop manuals. But then it only took about 10 years of my bride reading the directions to ME before I was able to lift a manual & turn the pages. !!!!! If you "Ain't Skeered" or have "No Fear", it's 'cause you ain't goin' FAST enough!!

Re: reverse detent adjustment A-833 per 68 Ply FSM.. [Re: 8_Barrel] #12279 06/02/04 07:01 AM 06/02/04 07:01 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,048 Richmond, Tx. (Houston) GTSDave master
GTSDave master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,048 Richmond, Tx. (Houston)	I always thought it was because on a big block a body the reverse rod runs underneath the cross member. Makes for a funny angle. -Dave PLEASE Pray for our brothers and sisters in harms way. If you are the owner of a GTS us at the GTS Registry www.gtsregistry.com

Re: reverse detent adjustment A-833 per 68 Ply FSM.. [Re: GTSDave] #12280 06/02/04 09:34 AM 06/02/04 09:34 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,615 Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy Rhinodart Rhinotruck
Rhinodart Rhinotruck Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,615 Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy	I have the exact opposite problem. Reverse is easy to go in and out of, but downshifting binds. If I just come out of fourth into neutral, I cannot get the trans into any gear without finally wrestling the shifter handle until something grinds. If I downshift from fourth to third, third to second, then first, everything works good. Also works that way from third to neutral. Any ideas? The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it. JB Rhinehart, Realist A-Body's RULE!

Re: Difficult shifting in to and out of reverse, A-833 [Re: Clair_Davis] #12281 06/02/04 09:46 AM 06/02/04 09:46 AM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 4,013 South Park, Pa. 68LAR master
68LAR master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 4,013 South Park, Pa.	I've had the same trouble from time to time. Most times I was able to reposition the side cover. If you losen the cover slightly, can you re-position it upward to give more clearance for the reverse lock-out? It sound like it is hitting or rubbing the reverse lever in the transmission. 4 speed street legal. Best time 10.99 @ 124 mph on 93 octane pump gas @ 3926# total weight

Re: reverse detent adjustment A-833 per 68 Ply FSM.. [Re: 8_Barrel] #12282 06/02/04 09:49 AM 06/02/04 09:49 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,204 Fort Worth, TX Clair_Davis OP master
Clair_Davis OP master Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,204 Fort Worth, TX	Holy smokes, I don�t remember reading anything like that. I guess I need to go back and re-read� I�ve been using both my 70 Dart/Challenger and my 78 Plymouth FSM�s to make sure I had my bases covered. I sure didn�t think that the side cover could be adjusted, there are a couple shoulder bolts that won�t let that thing move around much at all. Well, more to check, I guess. Thanks for bringing the goods, 8_Barrel! Clair 68 Sport Fury Vert (440/727) Getting a heart transplant... 69 Valiant 100 (340/833/EFI)

Re: reverse detent adjustment A-833 per 68 Ply FSM.. [Re: Clair_Davis] #12283 06/02/04 10:44 AM 06/02/04 10:44 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,755 North Dakota 6PakBee I Live Here
6PakBee I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,755 North Dakota	Just a comment, I never had much luck finding the 'A' and 'B' interlock levers that 8_Barrell references. If the clearance is to the point that there is no drag, I don't worry much about it. In the cases where there is too much interference and getting into reverse is a pain, a little judicious grinding on the reverse fork interlock cam will take care of the problem. Just my 0.02. Rhinodart, sounds like you have too much shifter fork travel. The one transmission I had that did this on the 3-4 shift was caused by the fork overtravelling the slider gear. This allowed the synchronizer slippers to pop up a little on the neutral side of the slider gear and prevent the gear from returning to neutral without a lot of effort. "We live in a time when intelligent people are being silenced so that stupid people won't be offended".

Re: reverse detent adjustment A-833 per 68 Ply FSM.. [Re: 6PakBee] #12284 06/02/04 02:05 PM 06/02/04 02:05 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,089 Sorrento, BC, Canada 4speeds4me master
4speeds4me master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,089 Sorrento, BC, Canada	Quote: The one transmission I had that did this on the 3-4 shift was caused by the fork overtravelling the slider gear. This allowed the synchronizer slippers to pop up a little on the neutral side of the slider gear and prevent the gear from returning to neutral without a lot of effort. A shifter with positive stops should really help with that, should it not??? 2 Demons...no, not my kids!

Re: reverse detent adjustment A-833 per 68 Ply FSM.. [Re: 4speeds4me] #12285 06/02/04 03:42 PM 06/02/04 03:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,755 North Dakota 6PakBee I Live Here
6PakBee I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,755 North Dakota	Guilty as charged!! Unfortunately the Inland units don't have such animals. God I love GM! "We live in a time when intelligent people are being silenced so that stupid people won't be offended".

Re: reverse detent adjustment A-833 per 68 Ply FSM.. [Re: 6PakBee] #12286 06/02/04 03:48 PM 06/02/04 03:48 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,089 Sorrento, BC, Canada 4speeds4me master
4speeds4me master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,089 Sorrento, BC, Canada	Quote: Guilty as charged!! Unfortunately the Inland units don't have such animals. God I love GM! HERETIC! HERETIC! I don't get too wound up about "originality", so if I had an Inland "mystery" shifter I'd be swapping it out for a HURST in no time flat! 2 Demons...no, not my kids!

Re: reverse detent adjustment A-833 per 68 Ply FSM.. [Re: Clair_Davis] #12287 06/02/04 05:20 PM 06/02/04 05:20 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 934 Kansas 67208 8 8_Barrel super gas
8_Barrel super gas 8 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 934 Kansas 67208	Clair, it is not in the 70 manual, that was the year they changed sidecovers. The 70 manual shows the old style cover but the directions are for a new style. As far as the "A" & "B" 1 & 2 lever, I've never seen one, I figgered it was a new replacement part & I have never needed one. It seemed to me that there was plenty of adjustment in the ones I did. I figgered it must be for 1 that is really worn or a serious bad casting. If you "Ain't Skeered" or have "No Fear", it's 'cause you ain't goin' FAST enough!!

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