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Re: Dual 2.5" vs Single 3" exhaust [Re: bboogieart] #1223239
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HotRodDave, thanks for the detailed explanation.. awesome


bboogieart, yup.. the plan has changed. I'm going with a 5.3L from a 2010 Chevy Silverado


So theres no way to run a pipe down the drivers side, the spare tire well is in the way, and to even run 2" pipe both down the pass side, up over the axle to the rear bumper w/ 2 mufflers under the floor pan there is just no way without it looking like a total hack job. I think a single 3" is the way to go for my application.


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Re: Dual 2.5" vs Single 3" exhaust [Re: DARTH V8Я] #1223240
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Check into the Stealth Bomber articles in Mopar Muscle mid 2004. I planned to do the same on my Duster using an x-pipe instead of the Y so I could use an electric cutout on the extra exit but I gor a smokin' deal on a TTI exhaust. Dyno numbers were included. If you are interested I probably still have the mags. IIRC there was only .5" backpressure.
Ron


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Re: Dual 2.5" vs Single 3" exhaust [Re: runinonmt] #1223241
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I can't find that article... would you have a link?


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Re: Dual 2.5" vs Single 3" exhaust [Re: DARTH V8Я] #1223242
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another thing to think about. per unit length and gage of tubing, dual 2.5" will have 67% more material than single 3" while giving only 39% more cross sectional area. due to boundary layer effects with the greater surface area of the dual pipes, you won't see all 38% flow improvement, probably closer to 30%. so you'll be adding a fair amount of additional weight for not as much flow improvement.


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Re: Dual 2.5" vs Single 3" exhaust [Re: DARTH V8Я] #1223243
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Could you fit a 3.5" pipe in there? Your surface area of a 3.5" pipe is 9.621", while, as previously mentioned, the dual 2.5" is 9.817", so basically a wash as as far as that goes, but you have the advantages of a single pipe (less boundry layer, weight, etc). 3.5" pipe is a little tougher to find but not impossible.

Re: Dual 2.5" vs Single 3" exhaust [Re: patrick] #1223244
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The single exhaust needs to be looked at harder, but its not something that would sell well, so the magazines wont talk about it

Our 99 Dakota has a single exhaust, and it sounds like a dual x-pipe in the upper RPM range. Our local exhaust guy built it and told us 5 or 6 years ago the x-pipe thing was just a glorified single exhaust.

Re: Dual 2.5" vs Single 3" exhaust [Re: DARTH V8Я] #1223245
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I can't find that article... would you have a link?



Yeah, I couldn't find one either. I finally found the mag."flows as well as a 2.5 inch system and looks stock..sorta'" See attatched. Mopar Muscle Sept '04
Ron

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Re: Dual 2.5" vs Single 3" exhaust [Re: runinonmt] #1223246
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Re: Dual 2.5" vs Single 3" exhaust [Re: runinonmt] #1223247
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Re: Dual 2.5" vs Single 3" exhaust [Re: runinonmt] #1223248
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Re: Dual 2.5" vs Single 3" exhaust [Re: runinonmt] #1223249
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Re: Dual 2.5" vs Single 3" exhaust [Re: runinonmt] #1223250
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Re: Dual 2.5" vs Single 3" exhaust [Re: DARTH V8Я] #1223251
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Quote:

HotRodDave, thanks for the detailed explanation.. awesome


bboogieart, yup.. the plan has changed. I'm going with a 5.3L from a 2010 Chevy Silverado


So theres no way to run a pipe down the drivers side, the spare tire well is in the way, and to even run 2" pipe both down the pass side, up over the axle to the rear bumper w/ 2 mufflers under the floor pan there is just no way without it looking like a total hack job. I think a single 3" is the way to go for my application.




Simple fix... Why don't you run open headers through the hood?

Re: Dual 2.5" vs Single 3" exhaust [Re: runinonmt] #1223252
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runinonmt, many many thanks my friend!

I'm going to a semi supply store to buy a 3.5" elbow.. IF that fits over the axle, I'm good to go.


Also I agree that the single exhaust for performance apps has to be looked into more.


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Re: Dual 2.5" vs Single 3" exhaust [Re: DARTH V8Я] #1223253
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single exhaust can sound good!

http://youtu.be/u4YXAdjfO6o


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Re: Dual 2.5" vs Single 3" exhaust [Re: DARTH V8Я] #1223254
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runinonmt, many many thanks my friend!

I'm going to a semi supply store to buy a 3.5" elbow.. IF that fits over the axle, I'm good to go.


Also I agree that the single exhaust for performance apps has to be looked into more.



Glad I could help. Nice to get some use from the old mags. I had a single cat-back Flowmaster on the R/T Dakota I used to have. Worked and sounded good.
Ron


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Re: Dual 2.5" vs Single 3" exhaust [Re: DARTH V8Я] #1223255
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Yeah a single exhaust can sound every bit as good as a dual imo. I was talking with a guy last night who owns a 1986 Iroc (350cid). He was telling me that originally he had dual 2" exhaust w/ cherry bomb mufflers on it for a few years. He then went a built a single 3.5" for it ( 3.5 y-pipe, 3.5 main pipe, flowmaster 40 series muffler 3.5 in/out) and told me that the car went 6/10ths faster in the quarter mile (from 13.60 to 13.00)! I had no idea a dual 2" with cherry bombs were THAT restrictive!


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Re: Dual 2.5" vs Single 3" exhaust [Re: DARTH V8Я] #1223256
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I patterned the system on my 5th avenue similar to the stealth bomber. I used "cheapie" summit 1 5/8" headers, to 3" 409 stainless collectors, then mandrel bent 409 stainless to a stainless magnaflow dual 3" in/3" out Y, a 3" stainless flex coupler to a dynomax 16669 3"in/out/internal "large body hemi" turbo muffler (10x5x22" case), 3" 409 mandrel bent over the axle, a 3" glass pack in the tailpipe (really helped with interior resonance/drone) to a gibson 3" turn down tip. sounded very nice...here's a clip I put on youtube before I sold it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvZ2lqPzogQ


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2017 Grand Cherokee Overland
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Re: Dual 2.5" vs Single 3" exhaust [Re: patrick] #1223257
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Awesome soound there buddy

My 3.5" elbow is on backorder, time to figure out the rest


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Re: Dual 2.5" vs Single 3" exhaust [Re: DARTH V8Я] #1223258
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Pssst....you know, if you want to run AN fittings on your heater hoses, you can pull out the factory stainless bungs (they are only pressed in) and tap the holes out to NPT. (they are 2 different sized holes)

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