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Re: 512 Low Deck Dyno Results [Re: Wax] #1214360 04/12/12 10:04 PM 04/12/12 10:04 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,031 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw... gregsdart I Live Here
gregsdart I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,031 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw...	Quote: Nice numbers. I currently have a 511 in my 3000# Duster. The best I have run with it is 10.00 @ 135.26 mph. That was at 6100' corrected elevation. My set up is: 4.25 crank, 6.535 length rods, dome pistons that make 14.3 compression ratio, 440-1's touched up by Dwayne Porter(no porting), ProSystems carb(90p90s jets), timing set at 36*, 2" Hooker fender well headers, 1.6 Indy rockers, Comp cams roller cam .631/.631 272 in/280ex @.050 lobe lift .421 installed @ 106. The total lift is .672. I would love to get mine on a dyno to see what it actual makes for power. Maybe I am missing something. Any suggestions appreciated. Wax There is a lot of power in finishing the porting work . Go to a 2.25 intake valve, full port, and a cam like they are running. Up the compression by cutting the heads. You can cut them down to 64cc if you need to. Should make an honest 825 to 850 hp with the right headers. It might work well to make the headers you have into step headers 2 to 2 1/8 to 4 inch collector with a total primary somewhere around 32 inch. Last edited by gregsdart; 04/12/12 10:09 PM. 8..603 156 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky

Re: 512 Low Deck Dyno Results [Re: Wax] #1214361 04/12/12 10:54 PM 04/12/12 10:54 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,105 Oregon A AndyF I Win
AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,105 Oregon	You don't need a dyno to know how much power you're making since you have elevation, weight and mph. Those three things will tell you the power that you're making. If you want to make more power then get the heads ported. That should be an easy 100 hp with your short block. You will also need more valve lift if you want to make more power, but as lift goes up, so does the cost.

Re: 512 Low Deck Dyno Results [Re: PETE@BESTMACHINE] #1214362 04/13/12 03:35 PM 04/13/12 03:35 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,934 NC 440Jim I Live Here
440Jim I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,934 NC	Quote: We finished up one of my favorite engines, 400 block, 4.25 stroke,Callies billet I-Beam rods,CP Flat top pistons, 13 to one compression, our custom ring pack that we have been using, 440-1 325 Heads,CNC ported by Indy, [Email]T@D[/Email] single shaft rockers 1.6 ratio, single 4500 manifold, Pro systems 1050, our shelf solid roller 279/290 on 112 installed at 108, .471 lobe lift and VP 110 Fuel. What a great bracket engine these make. Very nice numbers. With the low deck and .471 lobe x 1.6 = .753" lift what lifters are you using? (offset intake seat?) What do those Indy CNC 325 (2.19 vavle) flow? I think Indy claims 375cfm, but have you tried them on the BEST flow bench? What was the torque peak rpm? Your table seems to start after the peak. 1993 Daytona, 5.50 at 130mph (1/8) 1.19 sixty ft (PG). Link to 572 B1 - Part 1

Re: 512 Low Deck Dyno Results [Re: Savoy1964] #1214363 04/13/12 03:42 PM 04/13/12 03:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,934 NC 440Jim I Live Here
440Jim I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,934 NC	Quote: I should have motor back in the car this weekend possable testing by the 21st-22nd. Thanks Chuck and Pete you guys rock! I'll be running a set of TTI Blockhuggers. I look forward to the results. It should haul the mail ! Are these the same heads you ran on the old 499 CID? 1993 Daytona, 5.50 at 130mph (1/8) 1.19 sixty ft (PG). Link to 572 B1 - Part 1

Re: 512 Low Deck Dyno Results [Re: 440Jim] #1214364 04/13/12 09:33 PM 04/13/12 09:33 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 399 SouthEast Michigan P PETE@BESTMACHINE OP enthusiast
PETE@BESTMACHINE OP enthusiast P Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 399 SouthEast Michigan	Sorry it took so long to get back with all of you, The headers we dyno with are a very old set of hooker race headers with adjustable primary lengh, 2" tubes and there 3.5 collector. The primary tubes are as short as they will go. This block is a 230 one with pro gram steel billet caps and hardblock about 1/2" over the freeze plugs. It was one of mine that was a spare for my Super Bee. We do not use gridles. They are the same heads the customer had on his 499. The bob weight was not ultra light, steel rods and heavy pins. The camshaft always works well that we used, we have a series of them and they make good power. I dont have a dyno sheet with me for peak TQ, maybe Jim will chime in with that. It was stiil rich on the dyno sheet I posted, but the customer whats to tune it the rest of the way in the car, it has a hood scoop that sealed to the carb. The 440-1 head just works so well that is why I like them, we have combos with unported heads 4150 carb and hyd. cam on pump gas that with make 650HP, Flat tappet, little more compression on same deal 700HP all low decks. Like I said these are great engines, just remember its not one magic part but the combination. www.BestMachineRacing.com

Re: 512 Low Deck Dyno Results [Re: 440Jim] #1214365 04/13/12 09:49 PM 04/13/12 09:49 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 399 SouthEast Michigan P PETE@BESTMACHINE OP enthusiast
PETE@BESTMACHINE OP enthusiast P Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 399 SouthEast Michigan	Sorry Jim, we did not flow test this pair, Indys numbers are about 10 high from our bench, we used comp 829-16 lifters, no offset, We did install 2.25 intake valves this time and our valve angles. No other work was done on the heads, very basic good build. www.BestMachineRacing.com

Re: 512 Low Deck Dyno Results [Re: PETE@BESTMACHINE] #1214366 04/13/12 09:51 PM 04/13/12 09:51 PM
Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 632 Casco, MI Savoy1964 mopar
Savoy1964 mopar Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 632 Casco, MI	Torque topped out at 713 @ 6000-6100 2003 Dodge 3500 Diesel 1964 Plymouth Savoy White 2dr sdn. 512 stroked, Dominator, New Best 9.75 @ 138.50mph 2019 Challenger Scat Pack 1320 White Knuckle-K&N Cold air filter, Billit Oil catch can, drag radials stock 11.911 @ 114mph

Re: 512 Low Deck Dyno Results [Re: Savoy1964] #1214367 04/13/12 10:53 PM 04/13/12 10:53 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,875 Smyrna, South Carolina STEFF master
STEFF master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,875 Smyrna, South Carolina	You've got some steam, Jim!! Good Luck with it!!!!

Re: 512 Low Deck Dyno Results [Re: STEFF] #1214368 04/13/12 11:39 PM 04/13/12 11:39 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,203 PA. pittsburghracer "Little"John
pittsburghracer "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,203 PA.	Pete if its not giving away some speed secrete what is the purpose of the rubber spark plug boots and clear tube connecting the carb bowl vent tubes together. Is that to equalize the pressures on the fuel bowls? 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: 512 Low Deck Dyno Results [Re: pittsburghracer] #1214369 04/14/12 07:46 AM 04/14/12 07:46 AM
Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 632 Casco, MI Savoy1964 mopar
Savoy1964 mopar Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 632 Casco, MI	I noticed a little fuel coming from the front bowl the tubing allows it to travel to the rear without affecting anything I use the spark plug boots and tubing to allow the hood to close without hitting the tubing. Thanks Steff hope it does I can't wait to test it out should be installed by this weekend unless this cold gets the better of me. Last edited by Savoy1964; 04/14/12 07:49 AM. 2003 Dodge 3500 Diesel 1964 Plymouth Savoy White 2dr sdn. 512 stroked, Dominator, New Best 9.75 @ 138.50mph 2019 Challenger Scat Pack 1320 White Knuckle-K&N Cold air filter, Billit Oil catch can, drag radials stock 11.911 @ 114mph

Re: 512 Low Deck Dyno Results [Re: Dragula] #1214370 04/14/12 10:19 AM 04/14/12 10:19 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,934 NC 440Jim I Live Here
440Jim I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,934 NC	Quote: 13 to 1 compression. Could that engine be run at that compression on E85? IMO it should be just fine. I run my 511 low deck at 13.5 CR (68cc Indy 440-1) on E85. My heads have some old Muscle Motors porting, showing 355 cfm on their bench. So they are not as good as the CNC heads on Savoy1964's engine. 9.2 at sealevel and 3225 lbs. 1993 Daytona, 5.50 at 130mph (1/8) 1.19 sixty ft (PG). Link to 572 B1 - Part 1

Re: 512 Low Deck Dyno Results [Re: 440Jim] #1214371 04/14/12 01:50 PM 04/14/12 01:50 PM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,212 Canton, Ohio Crazy68Dart pro stock
Crazy68Dart pro stock Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,212 Canton, Ohio	Anything special done to the intake? 383, Hemi 4-Speed, AlterKtion, D60

Re: 512 Low Deck Dyno Results [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1214372 04/15/12 07:57 AM 04/15/12 07:57 AM
Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 632 Casco, MI Savoy1964 mopar
Savoy1964 mopar Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 632 Casco, MI	Nothing special i believe just port-matched. There is a 1" 4 hole spacer also. 2003 Dodge 3500 Diesel 1964 Plymouth Savoy White 2dr sdn. 512 stroked, Dominator, New Best 9.75 @ 138.50mph 2019 Challenger Scat Pack 1320 White Knuckle-K&N Cold air filter, Billit Oil catch can, drag radials stock 11.911 @ 114mph

Re: 512 Low Deck Dyno Results [Re: Savoy1964] #1214373 04/15/12 08:12 AM 04/15/12 08:12 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 26,022 United Socialist States of Ame... T tboomer Too Many Posts
tboomer Too Many Posts T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 26,022 United Socialist States of Ame...	That should run like a scalded dog! Is that an Indy intake? Need your rear end checked out? Contact Grizzly!!

Re: 512 Low Deck Dyno Results [Re: tboomer] #1214374 04/15/12 10:24 AM 04/15/12 10:24 AM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,008 Sweet Home Alabama M MRMOPAR622 top fuel
MRMOPAR622 top fuel M Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,008 Sweet Home Alabama	When you changed to oiling through the push rod did you keep the spray bar valve covers? I am thinking about changing mine over to oiling through the push rods and still using the spray bar's as well. "To Be The Man'You Have Got To Beat The Man" "T/D and Pro-Bracket Racer"

Re: 512 Low Deck Dyno Results [Re: MRMOPAR622] #1214375 04/15/12 12:55 PM 04/15/12 12:55 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 399 SouthEast Michigan P PETE@BESTMACHINE OP enthusiast
PETE@BESTMACHINE OP enthusiast P Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 399 SouthEast Michigan	Yes its a Indy intake, 4500 type, this engine is not pushrod oiled or using spraybars. It oils with the std oil lines to the back of the heads. No offset lifters, no extra port work, not a lot of valve lift, just a good basic engine. Should last all year or more on the valve springs also. 7165661-JimRick003.jpg (198 downloads) www.BestMachineRacing.com

Re: 512 Low Deck Dyno Results [Re: gregsdart] #1214376 04/15/12 06:22 PM 04/15/12 06:22 PM
Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 185 Casper, WY W Wax member
Wax member W Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 185 Casper, WY	Greg: Thanks for the reply post. I guess I need to have my heads ported and a bigger cam. As far as cutting the heads, my valve to piston clearances are close now. I am about to the max with the car chassis and rearend now. Car needs too many updates. Need to find a different car. Thanks again. I really appreciate it. Wax

Re: 512 Low Deck Dyno Results [Re: Wax] #1214377 04/16/12 09:25 AM 04/16/12 09:25 AM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,590 Motor City 6 6PKRTSE master
6PKRTSE master 6 Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,590 Motor City	Man, I thought the 655" post was impressive. This one is much more budget minded. (if possible with a Mopar). I would love to have even one of these combo's to play around with. 1963 Belvedere 440 Max Wedge Tribute 1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack 1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi 1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL 1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383 1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440 1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4 2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4 2012 Challenger R/T Classic.

Re: 512 Low Deck Dyno Results [Re: 6PKRTSE] #1214378 04/16/12 11:43 AM 04/16/12 11:43 AM
Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 500 MD JACK1440 mopar
JACK1440 mopar Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 500 MD	thanks for the post. these engine combos help me build my wish list....

Re: 512 Low Deck Dyno Results [Re: PETE@BESTMACHINE] #1214379 04/16/12 01:28 PM 04/16/12 01:28 PM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,752 detroit area M moderncylinder top fuel
moderncylinder top fuel M Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,752 detroit area	thats alot of power to make with that head,, with no vac pump, and std fuel, non-oxygenated.... also thats alot of fuel,, like 375lbs/hr to get through the intake system at 7100rpm,,, good job guys

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