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Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 1964 Barracuda
[Re: tallzag]
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04/02/12 11:06 PM
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Terrific job on this Early A!!!
Makes me want to buy my 64 'cuda back to do this to it! (except enter it in a Lemons Race)
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Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 1964 Barracuda
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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04/04/12 02:36 AM
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id love to do this but im not sure i would spend the ten grand on the cage work and about five grang on safety gear for a so called 500$car. even if i could afford it.
not sure where you get 10k for a cage and 5k for safety. Seem slike a lot of thos guys use stock parts for the most part. Now the car pictured has had a lot of upgrades but I don't think you need to go that far. If I do it I'm not. Basic man disc brakes, front end rebuild, good shocks, 15x7's and 245/60's....Along w/ some engine upgrades. I'd think you could have a fun racer for $2500. I might even make it legal for the "street stock" class we have here. That way I'd get to use the car more.
think they would sell that car for 25hun?
it just seems to me that the point is lost.i feel bad for anyone who shows up at that race with a 5 hun dollor car.so i guess if you had a built track car that was origionaly a 500 dollor shell and you sell the expensive race engine and put in a bullit proof lo po stocker youd qualify?evrything else IS safety equipment on a race car.
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Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 1964 Barracuda
[Re: TC@HP2]
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04/04/12 02:55 AM
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Agreed. Even if you had it all done, that is only a couple grand worth of cage work. Do it yourself and its only a couple hundred. Safety gear, well, I'd prefer to stack the odds in my favor regardless of cost. The organizers tend to agree which is why it is not included in the cost of the car. Even then, I'd venture a guess to say no more than a couple of grand to include the helmet and possibly a firesuit.
When you talk about $500 cars, you have to spend some time looking at the details in accounting of it all - what you buy and sell off the car itself, what is average market value of used pieces you have on it, etc. Sure, if you went out and bought all brand new pieces of all the parts on any of those cars, you could easily rack up $5000, but that's not how its done.
i dont care what you guys say i think lemons is headed down the road of the fastest streetcar shootouts of the 90s.think about it if a guy builds a tube chasis car and throws a junk car door on it would it qualify?what wouldent qualify?
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Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 1964 Barracuda
[Re: Winchester 73]
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04/04/12 09:52 AM
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id love to do this but im not sure i would spend the ten grand on the cage work and about five grang on safety gear for a so called 500$car. even if i could afford it.
not sure where you get 10k for a cage and 5k for safety. Seem slike a lot of thos guys use stock parts for the most part. Now the car pictured has had a lot of upgrades but I don't think you need to go that far. If I do it I'm not. Basic man disc brakes, front end rebuild, good shocks, 15x7's and 245/60's....Along w/ some engine upgrades. I'd think you could have a fun racer for $2500. I might even make it legal for the "street stock" class we have here. That way I'd get to use the car more.
think they would sell that car for 25hun?
it just seems to me that the point is lost.i feel bad for anyone who shows up at that race with a 5 hun dollor car.so i guess if you had a built track car that was origionaly a 500 dollor shell and you sell the expensive race engine and put in a bullit proof lo po stocker youd qualify?evrything else IS safety equipment on a race car.
no I'm saying I would build one for $2500... The 64 is way more than I'd do. They are actually trying to win, I'd just want to go out and have fun. All you need is the cage, you don't have to upgrade the brakes, tires, rims and so on. I'd show up w/ the best 2 sets of used tires I could find and go. Did you see some of the other cars in the race????
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Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 1964 Barracuda
[Re: Winchester 73]
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04/04/12 11:35 AM
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i dont care what you guys say i think lemons is headed down the road of the fastest streetcar shootouts of the 90s.
I disagree. Fastest street car was always about getting and being the fastest. It became an ever escalating means of going faster. Lemons, or any other crap can racing event, is more about attrition than speed. As a point of reference, IMCA has run very strict, budget limited oval track racing programs for decades and they have not only survived, but thrived and are now a huge grassroots sanctioning body that has member tracks all over the coutnry and many thousands of registered participants. The Lemons, GR20XX, and other low budget race series are setting themselves up in very similar manners and they will likely continue to grow.
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think about it if a guy builds a tube chasis car and throws a junk car door on it would it qualify?what wouldent qualify?
In Lemons, no, that wouldn't qualify because there are specifics around the types of build ups allowed. Close reading of the rules would clarify that for you and if you blatently violate the intent of the rules, then you hold yourself up to disqualification or loss. They have refused entry for cars they were deemed to not follow the intent of these rules.
Will it eventually evolve to tube chassis stuff, I doubt it. There are still too many rust bucket, cheap ass cars out there that they are targeting for this type of racing. As participants we may have to alter our thinking about RWD V8s as race cars if we want to continue to participate in these types of events.
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Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 1964 Barracuda
[Re: TC@HP2]
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04/04/12 02:44 PM
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tallzag
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The beauty about what we did to this car is it didn't cost us anything. I will freely admit it is an advantage to own a resto shop and take on a project like this. The front frame rails we put into the car were from a left over project that was done 5 years ago. We had a customer buy a 68 Belvedere just for the trunk, 1/4's and wheel tubs but did not need the front frame rails. The entire front frame rails and firewall have just been sitting in the corner of the shop all these years but since the customer paid for them it was free to us. We have a lot of fabrication into this build but almost no money, which is the point of Lemons.
The series will never turn into a tube chassis race, the organizers won't allow it. If you are into it to win you are missing the point. The top prize in Lemons is the Index of Effluency which goes to the car that did the best while starting out with the worst car, we have won this twice. The IOE comes with the biggest prize because that is what the organizers want to see raced. We knew we didn't have a prayer of winning at Sears Point but we sure had fun mixing it up with a Toyota Paseo with a 1.5 liter motor, a Datsun B210 Honey Bee, 3 VW Bugs, a 67 Belvedere, a 72 Scamp w/ a slant 6 and an MG convertible.
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Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 1964 Barracuda
[Re: tallzag]
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04/04/12 10:41 PM
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sweet ride. would love to see more pics of the front end splice.
1966 Dart GT
...down to only 1 mopar for the first time in 15 years!
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Re: 24 Hours of Lemons 1964 Barracuda
[Re: bobby66]
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04/06/12 02:40 AM
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tallzag
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Here are a couple more pictures. This was not an easy swap, it took almost two weeks of working every night to get this done. A lot of things had to move/be modified to work.
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