Re: Using a 1977 440 in my 1966
[Re: fish59]
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03/26/12 12:04 PM
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I don't think the 1977 converter would have worked with the 1966 transmission anyway. I don't know when they switched, but the spline counts around that time were different than the later stuff. I think the flexplate bolt patterns are all the same so another option might be to use the B&M flexplate for external balanced engines with your 1966 converter. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/BMM-10237/ Other stuff: You will need to keep the 1977 crank damper due to the external balance. If you swap to the 1966 crank pulley, one of the bolt holes won't line up with the 1977 damper and will have to be enlarged. The 1977 water pump housing inlet is on the passenger side, so you need to swap your 1966 WP housing on to work with your radiator.
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Re: Using a 1977 440 in my 1966
[Re: fish59]
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03/26/12 12:11 PM
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Sounds like you dont want to modify your wiring at this stage so I'd get a reman points dizzy and what Reggie said get the B&M flexplate to go w the '66 TC
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Re: Using a 1977 440 in my 1966
[Re: fish59]
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03/26/12 12:57 PM
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I dropped a '76 440 into my '66 Newport with minimal issues,modify exhaust,etc...I still have to get the B&M flexplate for the '67 727...car is perfectly drivable I guess at least for now but there is a noticable vibration. For my car it is a mix of all sorts of parts...I think I have a '74 radiator...a '67 383 clutch fan...modified brackets for alignment of belts,'67 rear end,'68 gas tank,changed to '68 dual res.drum brake master cylinder and about a million other things. I did buy a reman. points distributor at Pep Boys for easy drop in and go on the car.Never have drove the car much but haven't had any problems with the points or the mismatched components other than the needed flexplate.
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Re: Using a 1977 440 in my 1966
[Re: DaytonaTurbo]
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03/27/12 07:51 AM
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DaytonaTurbo hit the nail on the head. It's going to be a dog with that cam. You are better off leaving the stock cam in it. If you want a little more oomph, I would put a cam that is just slightly larger than stock. I had a '76 440 in my '68 Super Bee, with stock heads and pistons. I installed a Crane Econopower cam in it. (now called Powermax) 427/454" lift, 260/272 duration, 204/216 @ .050. It woke that engine up, it would just fry the tires, and gobs of torque. Nice idle too. Here is the equivalent cam on ebay, at a cheaper price than the Crane... http://www.ebay.com/itm/220964713521?ite...123&vxp=mtrI hope this helps.
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Re: Using a 1977 440 in my 1966
[Re: bschargerse]
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03/27/12 09:29 AM
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DaytonaTurbo hit the nail on the head. It's going to be a dog with that cam. You are better off leaving the stock cam in it. If you want a little more oomph, I would put a cam that is just slightly larger than stock. I had a '76 440 in my '68 Super Bee, with stock heads and pistons. I installed a Crane Econopower cam in it. (now called Powermax) 427/454" lift, 260/272 duration, 204/216 @ .050. It woke that engine up, it would just fry the tires, and gobs of torque. Nice idle too. Here is the equivalent cam on ebay, at a cheaper price than the Crane...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/220964713521?ite...123&vxp=mtr
I hope this helps.
that or the small summit cam/lifter set for $109. I think it's like 214/224 445/455???
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Re: Using a 1977 440 in my 1966
[Re: DaytonaTurbo]
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03/27/12 06:42 PM
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I forgot about the cam Mr. Yuck mentioned. Good choice...
EDIT - The smallest Summit cam is .442/.465 lift; 272/282 advertised duration; 214/224 @ .050. Not sure how that would work.
Last edited by bsakal; 03/27/12 10:11 PM.
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Re: Using a 1977 440 in my 1966
[Re: Kern Dog]
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03/28/12 03:46 AM
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Those 915 heads will help boost the squeeze. The 1977 400 and 440s were rated at 8.2 for standard and 7.8 for police. I have no explaination why the cop cars got less squeeze.
They didn't. All 440's in those years had the same 1.912 compression height smogger pistons.
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The 915 heads will likely raise the compression ratio by 1.0 to 1.5 points.
No, not even close. A 77 440 with stock open chambered heads comes in to a calculated 7.8:1 compression. Slap on a set of closed chambered heads brings you up to around 8.3-8.4 compression. With pistons far enough down in the hole to need a yard stick to measure, you are not gaining 1-1.5 compression by cutting 10cc out of your cylinder heads. 8.4 compression with that performer RPM cam is STILL going to be a complete and total dog!
Like I said, I ran the lunati voodoo 60303 cam with smogger pistons and 3.55 gears and it was too much cam for that low of CR and a stock converter. And that cam is only 226/234 @ 050 versus the 238/246 of the performer rpm cam. That rpm cam would work well with 10:1 compression, not 8:1.
What rear end ratio and torq converter do you plan on running?
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Re: Using a 1977 440 in my 1966
[Re: DaytonaTurbo]
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03/28/12 06:08 AM
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IIRC all big blocks had the 516 heads. The 915s didnt come out till 1967 and only then on the 440 HP engine.
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