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Hemi Landy rocker arm oiling question. #1198995 03/18/12 05:02 PM 03/18/12 05:02 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,848 Memphis HemiRick OP master
HemiRick OP master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,848 Memphis	I understand these rockers leak too much oil, and to cure this I intend to install .075 oil restrictors in the block based on Bob George's reccomendation. I am also going to run pushrod oiling w .040 restrictors. The question is should I also attempt to plug up some of the oilling holes in the rockers ? My intake rockers have 2 holes and the exhausts only 1. If so how? My thinking here is that with the oilling restrictors and all these oil leaks that the oil will just dribble and not stream outta the holes, thus having no practical value. I figure the holes aimed at the pushrods certainly aren't needed with the pushrod oilling. Thanks Rick Last edited by HemiRick; 03/18/12 05:34 PM. Take care, Rick 68 Coronet R/T 440 & 68 Charger 528 Hemi,and 5 Challengers! 6 cyl, 318, 360, 383, 451

Re: Hemi Landy rocker arm oiling question. [Re: HemiRick] #1198996 03/19/12 03:54 AM 03/19/12 03:54 AM
Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 4,785 Utah and Alaska astjp2 master
astjp2 master Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 4,785 Utah and Alaska	I have a similar setup with stageV rockers, I am going to run it as is for now, if I need to change later due to lack of oil making it back to the pan, I will rethink it. I have the stock restrictors in the world block. I just primed my oil pump and it is getting 75 psi and when I looked in the distributor hole, oil was just running out of the bottom of the lifters onto the cam Tim

Re: Hemi Landy rocker arm oiling question. [Re: HemiRick] #1198997 03/19/12 10:15 AM 03/19/12 10:15 AM
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3ddart pro stock 3 Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,466 malvern, ohio	hemi rick: where do they leak the oil from? i have intake 1s and may need to take a look-see! thanks, dave

Re: Hemi Landy rocker arm oiling question. [Re: astjp2] #1198998 03/19/12 10:18 AM 03/19/12 10:18 AM
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rickseeman master Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,674 Stuttgart, Arkansas	I dont even know what pushrod oiling restrictors are. 2011 Drag Pak Challenger

Re: Hemi Landy rocker arm oiling question. [Re: 3ddart] #1198999 03/19/12 12:28 PM 03/19/12 12:28 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,848 Memphis HemiRick OP master
HemiRick OP master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,848 Memphis	Quote: where do they leak the oil from? From the places where they are supposed to in order to lubricate the valve train. So after all these looks, no one has any opinion of the worthiness of this idea? Take care, Rick 68 Coronet R/T 440 & 68 Charger 528 Hemi,and 5 Challengers! 6 cyl, 318, 360, 383, 451

Re: Hemi Landy rocker arm oiling question. [Re: HemiRick] #1199000 03/21/12 12:53 PM 03/21/12 12:53 PM
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HemiRick OP master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,848 Memphis	bump still hoping to find an informed opinion on this.... Take care, Rick 68 Coronet R/T 440 & 68 Charger 528 Hemi,and 5 Challengers! 6 cyl, 318, 360, 383, 451

Re: Hemi Landy rocker arm oiling question. [Re: HemiRick] #1199001 03/21/12 01:18 PM 03/21/12 01:18 PM
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SCATPACK 1 pro stock S Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,505 TN	Rick I am watching this post too and I hope to see something from someone with experience post. I also want to know about the Landy Rockers. Aren't these rockers cast out of Stainless? I wonder if the oil holes could be welded up without hurting the brass inserts. I do not see a need for the oil holes to be open on the pushrod side when you are using oil thru lifters/pushrods. What lifters (part #) are you using for the oil thru. Old Geezer Racing

Re: Hemi Landy rocker arm oiling question. [Re: SCATPACK 1] #1199002 03/21/12 01:30 PM 03/21/12 01:30 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,848 Memphis HemiRick OP master
HemiRick OP master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,848 Memphis	Yes I believe these rockers are stainless. I was thinking something less hot like soldering or brazing the holes, I was also thinking that JB weld or some other epxoy would work fine too. I got my solid roller lifters from Best Machine and they are made by Morel I think. Last edited by HemiRick; 03/21/12 01:41 PM. Take care, Rick 68 Coronet R/T 440 & 68 Charger 528 Hemi,and 5 Challengers! 6 cyl, 318, 360, 383, 451

Re: Hemi Landy rocker arm oiling question. [Re: HemiRick] #1199003 03/21/12 04:48 PM 03/21/12 04:48 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,715 closer to Canadian beer! torkrules I'm neurotic
torkrules I'm neurotic Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,715 closer to Canadian beer!	Quote: I understand these rockers leak too much oil, and to cure this I intend to install .075 oil restrictors in the block based on Bob George's reccomendation. I am also going to run pushrod oiling w .040 restrictors. The question is should I also attempt to plug up some of the oilling holes in the rockers ? My intake rockers have 2 holes and the exhausts only 1. If so how? My thinking here is that with the oilling restrictors and all these oil leaks that the oil will just dribble and not stream outta the holes, thus having no practical value. I figure the holes aimed at the pushrods certainly aren't needed with the pushrod oilling. Thanks Rick My opinion would be to plug the holes if you going to use pushrod oiling. Pushrod manufacturers like Manton can put the restrictors in when they make them. For me, I'd be leary using epoxy or JB weld in case it comes out. I was thinking may a small set screw? Thread the holes and install the set screws with lock tight. That way if you ever want to go back or sell them to someone that doen't use push rod oiling, they can pull the set screws and use conventional oiling.

Re: Hemi Landy rocker arm oiling question. [Re: torkrules] #1199004 03/22/12 08:57 AM 03/22/12 08:57 AM
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B G Racing master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,910 Eighty Four, PA	If your going to pushrod oiling then you won't need to plug the holes.The oil will pass through the pushrod then through the rocker oil passages.There will not be a sufficient quanity of oil in the shafts to flow through the existing shaft and the side holes in the rockers. The only concern will be getting enough flow to the intake roller tips with pushrod oiling since the oil needs enough pressure to push it upward.There has been many inovative ways to direct supply oil to the roller tips posted in the past. [IMG]http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq21/ajcasini/max_zpsdppwd9km.jpg[/IMG]

Re: Hemi Landy rocker arm oiling question. [Re: B G Racing] #1199005 03/22/12 01:19 PM 03/22/12 01:19 PM
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HemiRick OP master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,848 Memphis	Bob your reply was the one I was waiting for, but I dont understand. Quote: The oil will pass through the pushrod then through the rocker oil passages. This seems to imply that my adjuster screws are drilled, but mine are not. Quote: There will not be a sufficient quanity of oil in the shafts to flow through the existing shaft and the side holes in the rockers. Thats why I want to block all the holes except the ones in the intakes that try to oil the intake roller. Take care, Rick 68 Coronet R/T 440 & 68 Charger 528 Hemi,and 5 Challengers! 6 cyl, 318, 360, 383, 451

Re: Hemi Landy rocker arm oiling question. [Re: HemiRick] #1199006 03/22/12 05:07 PM 03/22/12 05:07 PM
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B G Racing master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,910 Eighty Four, PA	This is what poses the problem for push rod oiling on a hemi and is something we never do.We either correct the oiling issue(most all the time) or as a last resort use spray bar oil systems.There has been some elaborate systems tube and bolt arrangments to direct the oil to roller tips and pushrod/adjusters like HemiFred and others use but we don't for fear of bolts or lines breaking of and causing other issue.The main problem is getting the oil to the intake roller tip.We haven't had to resort to many alternative "band aid" systems since we usually resolve any issues and get the block,head,stand and shaft system oiling correctly and just control the amont by restrictors. [IMG]http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq21/ajcasini/max_zpsdppwd9km.jpg[/IMG]

Re: Hemi Landy rocker arm oiling question. [Re: B G Racing] #1199007 03/22/12 05:41 PM 03/22/12 05:41 PM
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HEMIFRED master Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY	Quote: This is what poses the problem for push rod oiling on a hemi and is something we never do.We either correct the oiling issue(most all the time) or as a last resort use spray bar oil systems.There has been some elaborate systems tube and bolt arrangments to direct the oil to roller tips and pushrod/adjusters like HemiFred and others use but we don't for fear of bolts or lines breaking of and causing other issue.The main problem is getting the oil to the intake roller tip.We haven't had to resort to many alternative "band aid" systems since we usually resolve any issues and get the block,head,stand and shaft system oiling correctly and just control the amont by restrictors. bandaid ? this was done to Duster Dave's blown Hemi years ago and counting. added a thich washer/spacer,tapped a hole thru it and attached lines 7130654-oilers1.jpg (54 downloads) home of the Sox and Martin Hemi Duster

Re: Hemi Landy rocker arm oiling question. [Re: HEMIFRED] #1199008 03/22/12 05:49 PM 03/22/12 05:49 PM
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HEMIFRED master Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY	another version done by someone else 7130661-100_008630.jpg (75 downloads) home of the Sox and Martin Hemi Duster

Re: Hemi Landy rocker arm oiling question. [Re: HemiRick] #1199009 03/22/12 09:51 PM 03/22/12 09:51 PM
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bwdst6 Bob George Racing #1 Fan B Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 970 Backwater, PA	This post is available in double vision where drunk.

Re: Hemi Landy rocker arm oiling question. [Re: HemiRick] #1199010 03/22/12 11:02 PM 03/22/12 11:02 PM
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robnbird super stock R Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 914 tn	Quote: I understand these rockers leak too much oil, and to cure this I intend to install .075 oil restrictors in the block based on Bob George's reccomendation. I am also going to run pushrod oiling w .040 restrictors. The question is should I also attempt to plug up some of the oilling holes in the rockers ? My intake rockers have 2 holes and the exhausts only 1. If so how? My thinking here is that with the oilling restrictors and all these oil leaks that the oil will just dribble and not stream outta the holes, thus having no practical value. I figure the holes aimed at the pushrods certainly aren't needed with the pushrod oilling. If you are going to run oil thru push rods , with oil thru lifter you have the rocker ball cup oiling problem fixed. instead of pluging the oil holes in the rockers whay not restrict the block oil hole to .040 or so. My question is are you useing a world block and which lifter are you going to use? Rob Thanks Rick

Re: Hemi Landy rocker arm oiling question. [Re: robnbird] #1199011 03/23/12 12:41 AM 03/23/12 12:41 AM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,848 Memphis HemiRick OP master
HemiRick OP master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,848 Memphis	Quote: My question is are you using a world block and which lifter are you going to use? Rob Nope early Mega block and lifters are Morels bought from Best Machine. Using a .075 restriction because its what BG suggested. With head gaskets being $66 ea, I want to get the right size restrictors in there the 1st time. Anyone else have any input on restrictor size? Looking for an old beat up valve cover to cut up so I see the valvetrain oiling, can anyone help? I intend to install restrictors and and plug all the holes in the rockers except the one that points at the intake roller. Then visually see if the 1 hole is squirting where it needs to and go from there. Take care, Rick 68 Coronet R/T 440 & 68 Charger 528 Hemi,and 5 Challengers! 6 cyl, 318, 360, 383, 451

Re: Hemi Landy rocker arm oiling question. [Re: HEMIFRED] #1199012 03/23/12 08:55 AM 03/23/12 08:55 AM
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B G Racing master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,910 Eighty Four, PA	Fred,I meant no disrespect by the term"band aid".Sorry for the bad choise of words .I did say that many have come up with elaborate solutions for the issue but we in most all cases correct the problem with the stock way it was ment to oil.Making all those setup can be costly and time consuming. Even with the Indy,Norris and Landy rockers we drilled to direct the oil where it was needed in some cases and drilled out head bolt hole that has the oil passage or turned down the head stud diameter to allow more oil flow to the rocker shafts.We have also champhered the hole in the rocker shaft. On some like Landy and Indy we drilled a hole in the side barrel to squirt oil on the spring,retainer and roller tip. [IMG]http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq21/ajcasini/max_zpsdppwd9km.jpg[/IMG]

Re: Hemi Landy rocker arm oiling question. [Re: HemiRick] #1199013 03/23/12 09:52 AM 03/23/12 09:52 AM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,466 malvern, ohio 3 3ddart pro stock
3ddart pro stock 3 Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,466 malvern, ohio	rick: look for a set of the thin aluminum duel plug covers and leave the plug covers off and you can see the oiling somewhat. exh are hardest to see but the covers are right above the intakes 7131681-addyb-dayandswiming065.JPG (65 downloads)

Re: Hemi Landy rocker arm oiling question. [Re: 3ddart] #1199014 03/23/12 12:02 PM 03/23/12 12:02 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,848 Memphis HemiRick OP master
HemiRick OP master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,848 Memphis	Yea I saw tour post about these covers earlier. The are nice but cost way more than I'm willing to spend on this project. I need to find a bashed rusted steel valve cover for cheap. Take care, Rick 68 Coronet R/T 440 & 68 Charger 528 Hemi,and 5 Challengers! 6 cyl, 318, 360, 383, 451

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