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Re: Intermittent MSD 6AL-2? [Re: Dragula] #1198727
04/15/12 11:53 PM
04/15/12 11:53 PM
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"but more and more I am suspecting the 6AL."

That is exactly where I was, and I know how frustrating it can be. I spoke with MSD twice on the issue. I wasn't impressed with the first fellow but the second time the guy was OK. Pat Collins was really nice and helpful. After talking with him, I still wasn't sure the 6AL-2 was at fault.

At the time, I struggled with the decision to buy the Streetfire unit but in the end decided it wasn't too expensive, and it would give me a "plug compatible" backup in the future. Are the wiring connections for the Crane unit the same as the MSD?

I found the diagnostic where you tap a jumper between the trigger wires to be really helpful. This was the first thing I did last night, and as soon as I saw there was no spark with the Streetfire unit, I knew my 6AL-2 was probably fine and I had a different problem since it seems like a long shot that both MSD products had the same issue for me. This diagnostic removes the distributor from the system during the test. I had also taken a spare coil with me, and tried that also with a "no spark" result.

After making sure the MSD had 12V on the run line, I looked closer at the trigger wires as I mentioned above and found the basic issue. Today I proved it was the molded 2 wire connector.

Once I get a good connector back on the car, I will swap the 6AL-2 back in. If I ever get the car to a chassis dyno, I may even try a comparison test between the two.

I hope you can find your issue soon!

Re: Intermittent MSD 6AL-2? [Re: davenc] #1198728
04/16/12 02:25 PM
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Your distributor connector that went bad is the same as a 2-wire trailer connector. I discovered this wiring my MSD6A to my Chrysler distributor. It costs about $3 and it works. It also allows me to keep my orange box on the firewall for a spare. I used a twisted pair for an extension, soldered the MSD connector on one end and the trailer plug on the other. The MSD box is mounted on the fenderwell.

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Re: Intermittent MSD 6AL-2? [Re: dogdays] #1198729
04/16/12 09:44 PM
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Thanks for the tip! I did look at the trailer connectors at my local Carquest and NAPA, and the ones I saw are actually a little smaller (not as wide). I did end up buying one at NAPA, and put it on the car, but the male end does not close the overlapping rubber portion (it just butts against the connector instead of slipping inside) so is likely not weatherproof. I also found something on Summit that I will get on my next order but it is not possible to judge the connector width to see if it is right.

There is likely some variation to what is on the market, and others might be able to find something that works at the local auto store.

Re: Intermittent MSD 6AL-2? [Re: davenc] #1198730
04/16/12 10:10 PM
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Quote:

"but more and more I am suspecting the 6AL."

That is exactly where I was, and I know how frustrating it can be. I spoke with MSD twice on the issue. I wasn't impressed with the first fellow but the second time the guy was OK. Pat Collins was really nice and helpful. After talking with him, I still wasn't sure the 6AL-2 was at fault.

At the time, I struggled with the decision to buy the Streetfire unit but in the end decided it wasn't too expensive, and it would give me a "plug compatible" backup in the future. Are the wiring connections for the Crane unit the same as the MSD?

I hope you can find your issue soon!





Well after working all day, then taking the 40min drive out to the new shop and wiring in a new trans brake button and two step and testing it on the race car. I finally got to come home, eat dinner, and looked over the two wiring diagrams between the Crane and MSD and figured WTH...

After dinner, I swapped it out spending the evening upside down under the dash swapping connectors and wires...Fricken guy mounted the MSD to a stainless plate that must have been bolted in 8 spots...PITA to drill thru.

Man I went thru 4 drill bits running two self tappers into it to hold the crane in place...Fired right up, idled way better and got to idle quicker. I am not sure why. I also noticed the efi had to re-learn the idle A/F a little. Plugs were looking horrible with the MSD lately, but started cleaning right up with the Crane.I amoing to swap out the brand new MSD coil for the Crane one as well. Its a beast in comparison.

I can't help thinking that maybe the old coil that quit had something to do with the ignition going bad. Either way what a PITA to get this this running again.

MSD.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

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