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Re: F.A.S.T. question
[Re: 383man]
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I would say yes. Why you got one ?  Ron
no but it would be way cheaper to find a nice solid 4 door than a 2 door. The cost offset one could build a Hemi and have a nice sleeper right? I mean the only upgrade from the DeLuxe trim would be two 29.99 emblems, and the Hemi of course.
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Re: F.A.S.T. question
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HEAVY
not really.
Like Mike said the draw backs would be tire and no fresh air. You can take lots of weight off the car. And it would be very cool to see a 4 door dodge run against a aluminum blcok vette and hold it's own. I bet you could get a base line 4 door lighter than a 69-70 2 door b-body
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Re: F.A.S.T. question
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HEAVY
not really.
Like Mike said the draw backs would be tire and no fresh air. You can take lots of weight off the car. And it would be very cool to see a 4 door dodge run against a aluminum headed vette and hold it's own. I bet you could get a base line 4 door lighter than a 69-70 2 door b-body
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Re: F.A.S.T. question
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HEAVY
not really.
Like Mike said the draw backs would be tire and no fresh air. You can take lots of weight off the car. And it would be very cool to see a 4 door dodge run against a aluminum blcok vette and hold it's own. I bet you could get a base line 4 door lighter than a 69-70 2 door b-body
The tire would be a drawback, but one thing the Hemi has is its a package that makes horsepower up top and not necessarily a torque monster-which is the MAIN reason its so deadly for FAST. That being said, Ed Cook managed to put down a 1.52 60' on G70-14's and NO TRACTION device, with the 3800 lb '63 MW Plymouth. And that motor made 778 lb/ft of torque! It can be done. 
MB
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Re: F.A.S.T. question
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03/01/12 10:41 PM
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That being said, Ed Cook managed to put down a 1.52 60' on G70-14's and NO TRACTION device, with the 3800 lb '63 MW Plymouth. And that motor made 778 lb/ft of torque! It can be done.
MB
So what is done or can be done to said car to get it to 60 ft like that?
Alot of blood,,,,,sweat,,,,,,,and TEARS!!!
I have had the honor of hangin with theses guys and have to say what a CLASS operation the Cook family is
The guys that run F.A.S.T. & SUPERCARS are a pleasure to hang with and they ALWAYS put on a great show.If you never watched them,make an effort this year.You'll be glad you did and won't believe thay do what they do on that tiny tini tire 
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Re: F.A.S.T. question
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That being said, Ed Cook managed to put down a 1.52 60' on G70-14's and NO TRACTION device, with the 3800 lb '63 MW Plymouth. And that motor made 778 lb/ft of torque! It can be done.
MB
So what is done or can be done to said car to get it to 60 ft like that?
Frankly, not a whole lot..
There are some that are using timing delays to pull some power out so that they dont hit the tires too hard, but I know for a fact that Ed(and most of the others) don't use it. You can't miss the ones that do. they are the ones popping and farting at the tree.
It all comes down to driving skills and practice.
MB
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Re: F.A.S.T. question
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Those cars dodn't have a 15" option?????
Nope.
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Re: F.A.S.T. question
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0% legal though as the rules clearly say no 4 doors.
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Re: F.A.S.T. question
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0% legal though as the rules clearly say no 4 doors.
Sorry Dave, you are incorrect...
This was brought up years ago and its 100% legal. I dont know what rules you are reading, but there is nothing in the FAST rules that excludes 4 door vehicles. Please cut and paste the "rule" that you refer to.
MB
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Re: F.A.S.T. question
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03/02/12 10:52 AM
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0% legal though as the rules clearly say no 4 doors.
LAME wonder why? I guess no wagons either then.
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Re: F.A.S.T. question
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0% legal though as the rules clearly say no 4 doors.
LAME wonder why? I guess no wagons either then.
I dont know where he got that info from. Its been discussed. Its 100% legal and nothing in the rules states otherwise.
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Re: F.A.S.T. question
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03/02/12 12:02 PM
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2 extra doors, windows, mechanisms, latches, B pillar seem kinda heavy to me? maybe im wrong....
Is operational windows a tech item?
While I'm still having fun w/ the Charger I was just thinking about the next thing. Anyway I'd remove all the hardware so the window would just be hung in the door...no door guts... The heater/ac box would be empty, the wiper motor would be a shell, behind the door panels there'd be lots of holes, as well as under the dash pad, kick panels...you kinda see what I'm saying? Cutting up a nice clean 2 door would be a sin but an old ugly 4 door... get the  out. I'd bet you could get it down under 3200lbs.
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Re: F.A.S.T. question
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2 extra doors, windows, mechanisms, latches, B pillar seem kinda heavy to me? maybe im wrong....
Domingo...
Most of the factory literature I have list a 4 door at about 35 lb heavier than a comparably equipped 2 door..Wheelbase is the same. Remember, a two door still has quarter window glass, regulators, ets. If you got creative, you can lose that weight easily. Like stated earlier, if the goal was a "max effort" type of deal, then start with something else. But I dont think the weight issue is anything here.
MB
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Re: F.A.S.T. question
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Re: F.A.S.T. question
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Been a couple years since I was considering it (4 door 273 4bbl dart) looks like they updated a bunch of rules in 2010. It does say all windows must be functional and up during a run. Rule 1.10
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Re: F.A.S.T. question
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What is UP HPMike? Hope all is well. As far as getting Ed's car to 1.52 60 ft??? I do remember seeing some redlines that were pretty soft 
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Re: F.A.S.T. question
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I checked the FAST and Pure Stock Drag rules. Neither one of them say that 4-doors or wagons are not legal. It just says "1955-74 muscle cars".
if it says that then how come vettes are allowed? I know this has been beaten to death, but now reading MUSCLECARS (I have never read the rules before), I would say there is NO ROOM FOR ALLOWING A VETTE IN THERE!
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Re: F.A.S.T. question
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I checked the FAST and Pure Stock Drag rules. Neither one of them say that 4-doors or wagons are not legal. It just says "1955-74 muscle cars".
if it says that then how come vettes are allowed? I know this has been beaten to death, but now reading MUSCLECARS (I have never read the rules before), I would say there is NO ROOM FOR ALLOWING A VETTE IN THERE!
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Re: F.A.S.T. question
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Mr Yuck
The class was suppose to be show cars that run FAST. With that in mind the cars should be presentable. But I don't think they need to be perfect. I would love to see a survivior type car running?
Mike,
1.57 sixty was the best so far but since you posted the 52 I will try to make it happen. Going testing down at MIR on the 30th. As you know I did not do anything to the car over the winter but will be testing tire sizes. After that I will get together with you on some gear changes???
Thanks Ed
Good luck Ed. Hey Ed will you be racing at Cecil at all this year ? Ron
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