Re: WELDED K member pictures
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03/01/12 06:26 PM
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I guess that might of came of harsh. I just meant that if you dont know what your doing, you can really screw a car up. I have seen many a drag car that was sold cause the owner thought that he "knew" what he was doing, but just screwed up everything he touched. In a perfect world, you would have set the bump before you took it out of the car, and took good measuremenst of its location in the car before taking it out. Also It would have been a good idea to have the car put on a frame rack to see if the whole car was indeed in the porper location. Then after you take the k frame out, you make a support jig to hold everything in place. These k frames are made out of relatively thin metal. Dont believe me it moved. Take a two inch wide by 1/8 inch strap that is two feet long. Weld across one side about half way, watch the metal move. It appeared to me that you just welded a washer to where the lower butts into, if that was the case, you better start making some crazy upper control arms to even get 1/2 a degree of caster. All I can see is a bunch of grinder marks, so I still cant verify what you did or did not do. Sorry if I hurt your feelers, I have learned more by people telling me what I did wrong, then people following me like sheep agreeing with me.
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Re: WELDED K member pictures
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03/01/12 09:33 PM
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The "right" way to weld one would be to bolt or weld it down to a welding table and only run about 3" long beads one at a time letting them cool to below 100 degrees before starting another one. A K member could very easily be warped before or after welding.
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Re: WELDED K member pictures
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03/01/12 09:56 PM
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My welds were actually shorter than that, more like 1 1/2" stitch style. I welded the perimeter in a huge circle, filling in until it was done. As promised, here are a few more shots. This one is a 1973 A body V8 unit as built by Ma Mopar....
Note the ring that extends past the body of the K member. THAT is the lower control arm mount. It clearly sticks out by at least 1/8". The reinforcing washer that I used was exactly 1/8" thick and sat flush. The inside diameter of the washer was larger, so I welded in the gap and ground the welds flush. The end result should not result in a loss of any caster.
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Re: WELDED K member pictures
[Re: Kern Dog]
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03/01/12 10:12 PM
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Final A body K member shot:
This K will also get the seams welded and the welds ground smoothe. It is going into a '72 Duster 340 clone.
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Re: WELDED K member pictures
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03/01/12 10:17 PM
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Not saying you did it wrong at all. Another thing is to jump around and not keep running one continuous line. I only know this stuff from trussing axles in Cummins Dodges so they dont smile when landing lol!
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Re: WELDED K member pictures
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03/01/12 10:26 PM
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Not saying you did it wrong at all.
Thanks, I figured that you were just chiming in. I'm always willing to learn a new way.
Final picture:
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Re: WELDED K member pictures
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03/02/12 12:37 PM
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That was a good idea to do patterns with cardboard. I'm going to use it in the future.
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Re: WELDED K member pictures
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03/02/12 01:47 PM
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Im gonna do mine when I yank out the engine in a week or two.
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Re: WELDED K member pictures
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03/02/12 05:27 PM
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That was a good idea to do patterns with cardboard. I'm going to use it in the future.
Thanks. I can't recall if it was my own idea or if I had read about it somewhere in the past.
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Re: WELDED K member pictures
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03/02/12 08:31 PM
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It might seem that our cars were just tacked together, but they DID last this long, right?
Anybody has my permission to cherry pick the following.
1. I suspect the above would be referring to millions of Mopar k members 2. Those k members combined have driven trillions of miles. 3. Known/reported failure of any mopar k member structural spot welds is rare or non existent 4. Any common steel welded part that flexes, eventually will fail 5. The more/greater a common steel welded part flexes, the sooner it will fail. 6. The mopar k member is a common steel welded part 7. Additional welding usually reduces flex in a multi piece steel partially welded component 7. There have been numerous reports of visible gear box mounting flex when turning the front wheels at a dead stop 8. I suspect that the turning of front wheels at a dead stop MAY(?) be the highest loads a steering gear box encounters. 9. I also suspect these steering gear box loads decrease as speed increases from zero, until front wheel gyroscope issues arise. 10. I would also suspect a NY mopar taxi would have the highest failure of any weak spot welds on a K member. 11. I would also suspect Mopar would recall any K members that would be likely to have spot welds fail. 12. I also would think that few experienced drivers at speed abruptly input steering corrections in non panic situations 13. I would think abrupt steering inputs in panic situations at high speed are not finesse based 14. Steering smoothness is a normal drivers goal when operating at high speed on dry asphalt 15. I suspect the faster steering inputs are added, the higher the forces the steering box mounting sees 16. I wonder if higher cornering g forces are easily misconstrued by a driver as requiring greater steering wheel forces. 17. I suspect the faster the car goes, it does not significantly increase the forces the steering box mountings see 18. Reducing mounting point flex for improved driver confidence, normally in HP driving situations, IMO, does not include concern of hitting curbs, potholes, road debris, dead penguins, etc 19. Non of the above is intended to address LCA mounting hole blow out, because that repair is not intended as a fix for improved steering response. 20. No hidden final conclusions are intended in any of the above.
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