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Re: WELDED K member pictures [Re: KatFysh] #1188779 03/03/12 09:53 AM 03/03/12 09:53 AM
Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 4,785 Utah and Alaska astjp2 master
astjp2 master Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 4,785 Utah and Alaska	Frankenduster, did you MIG everything or did you mix TIG and MIG?

Re: WELDED K member pictures [Re: astjp2] #1188780 03/03/12 01:34 PM 03/03/12 01:34 PM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA Kern Dog OP Striving for excellence
Kern Dog OP Striving for excellence Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA	Its all MIG. I started with the Flux core .035 wire, but on advice from others, I cracked open the wallet and converted the setup to Argon and .030 solid wire. It does make a mediocre persons welding skills look almost competent!

Re: WELDED K member pictures [Re: Kern Dog] #1188781 03/03/12 06:31 PM 03/03/12 06:31 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,116 Falconer, NY KatFysh master
KatFysh master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,116 Falconer, NY	Gotta have gas.. Nothing like it. I'll never NOT use it.. When you decide to quit, THAT is the moment when you would've succeeded..

Re: WELDED K member pictures [Re: KatFysh] #1188782 03/03/12 08:08 PM 03/03/12 08:08 PM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA Kern Dog OP Striving for excellence
Kern Dog OP Striving for excellence Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA	The only drawback that I have seen with the new setup is that the nozzle on the tip makes it a little harder to do overhead welding. I guess it boils down to technique and making a few adjustments. The weld appearance and penetration is far superior.

Re: WELDED K member pictures [Re: Kern Dog] #1188783 03/03/12 10:26 PM 03/03/12 10:26 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,533 Here J jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds..
jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds.. J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,533 Here	IMO, if you desire further weld improvement, on your next project (thicker then 1/16" steel) try a mix gas of CO2/Argon, I think you will be pleased. "When one’s appeal is emotional, it does not matter if there is no substance."

Re: WELDED K member pictures [Re: jcc] #1188784 03/04/12 02:31 AM 03/04/12 02:31 AM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA Kern Dog OP Striving for excellence
Kern Dog OP Striving for excellence Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA	Thank you. I've heard that the C02 is cheaper, but nobody else has told me about a mix of those two.

Re: WELDED K member pictures [Re: Kern Dog] #1188785 03/04/12 02:41 AM 03/04/12 02:41 AM
Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 186 Middleton, ID C curleysracecars member
curleysracecars member C Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 186 Middleton, ID	A typical MIG setup is a 75/25 mix of Argon and CO2. I would have to look at my reciepts, but Im pretty sure the mix bottle is more expensive than my pure Argon bottles I use for TIG. Either way, its better than flux core! Kyle Curley

Re: WELDED K member pictures [Re: curleysracecars] #1188786 03/04/12 03:35 AM 03/04/12 03:35 AM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 685 Bismarck, ND USA C cageman mopar
cageman mopar C Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 685 Bismarck, ND USA	75 25 is the way to go.

Re: WELDED K member pictures [Re: astjp2] #1188787 03/04/12 05:56 AM 03/04/12 05:56 AM
Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 495 IL E EchoSixMike mopar
EchoSixMike mopar E Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 495 IL	75/25 is the most common MIG gas for short circuit MIG. Straight argon is for TIG and aluminum MIG(spool gun most commonly). 6-10% CO2/argon is for spray transfer MIG, which is typically heavy duty production stuff(very uncommon for 'hobby' use). You can use straight CO2 for MIG also; little hotter, litle more penetration, little more spatter, but fully workable. Hobart makes an adapter kit for using paintball bottles w/MIG machines, which is nice for 'at track' repair/patch work. S/F....Ken M

Re: WELDED K member pictures [Re: Kern Dog] #1188788 03/04/12 06:29 PM 03/04/12 06:29 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	That's very nice work, and I'm sure it will be stiffer, which is good. I pressured washed the grease off of mine and then lightly sand blasted it so it would be clean and easy to weld. Wrong, I found all the grease inside when I started welding the edges. So stopped and got 95% of the grease out so I could weld the edges. Maybe stupid or over kill, I wanted them welded. I can say it all made a huge difference in how my 71 handles compared to my stock 74, big difference for the better. Worth doing for sure. I used .035" wire with 75/25 gas. Before, it was pretty much bare metal from light blasting, then got rusty when I had to steam clean the inside a second time. I had planned on blasting a second time after welding. Nothing warped and it fit right on the car. I went over every factory weld, some even missed! I mig welded most of it. I tig welded the washers and lower control arm reinforcement plates. Got another sand blasting before paint. Wet paint! almost forgot to take a picture of it bare. Shouldn't grind on a weld. Last one, eye candy. Factory sway bar laying on the floor.

Re: WELDED K member pictures [Re: Challenger 1] #1188789 03/05/12 03:22 AM 03/05/12 03:22 AM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA Kern Dog OP Striving for excellence
Kern Dog OP Striving for excellence Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA	Thanks for the kind words Challenger1 ! Forgive my lack of understanding, but you wrote against grinding a weld. I wish that my skills were good enough to weld and then paint the stuff that I do. I'm trying to improve, but I still need to "tune up" what I weld. What is the reasoning behind the statement? A weaker joint? In most cases, I just knock down globs or high spots. Somebody wrote in a post somewhere else in this forum: "Pretty welds are not always strong, and strong welds are not always pretty." That gives me hope!

Re: WELDED K member pictures [Re: Kern Dog] #1188790 03/05/12 11:46 AM 03/05/12 11:46 AM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,533 Here J jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds..
jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds.. J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,533 Here	Quote: Thanks for the kind words Challenger1 ! Forgive my lack of understanding, but you wrote against grinding a weld. I wish that my skills were good enough to weld and then paint the stuff that I do. I'm trying to improve, but I still need to "tune up" what I weld. What is the reasoning behind the statement? A weaker joint? In most cases, I just knock down globs or high spots. Somebody wrote in a post somewhere else in this forum: "Pretty welds are not always strong, and strong welds are not always pretty." That gives me hope! Grinding is a no no mainly because: 1. It can hide a bad weld 2. It seldom if ever makes a weld stronger 3. It is proof welder is willing to break the rules 4. It is against standard practice 5. It hides a good weld "When one’s appeal is emotional, it does not matter if there is no substance."

Re: WELDED K member pictures [Re: jcc] #1188791 03/14/12 12:07 AM 03/14/12 12:07 AM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA Kern Dog OP Striving for excellence
Kern Dog OP Striving for excellence Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA	Quote: Grinding is a no no mainly because: 1. It can hide a bad weld (Yeah, I can understand that) 2. It seldom if ever makes a weld stronger (Not an issue) 3. It is proof welder is willing to break the rules (WHAT rules?) 4. It is against standard practice (Rules are meant to be challenged) 5. It hides a good weld (True) I'm looking to install the K member in the next 2 weeks. I hope to have an update soon thereafter.

Re: WELDED K member pictures [Re: Kern Dog] #1188792 03/25/12 12:53 PM 03/25/12 12:53 PM
Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 4,785 Utah and Alaska astjp2 master
astjp2 master Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 4,785 Utah and Alaska	Ok, I welded up my K-member, the only thing I didn't weld much up on was the steering box mount. I have the Hemi style mounts and if I weld any more bracing on it, the engine mounts won't fit. Will the lower sector support provide enough stability that I shouldn't worry about it? Tim

Re: WELDED K member pictures [Re: astjp2] #1188793 03/25/12 02:13 PM 03/25/12 02:13 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,596 So Cal autoxcuda Too Many Posts
autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,596 So Cal	Quote: Ok, I welded up my K-member, the only thing I didn't weld much up on was the steering box mount. I have the Hemi style mounts and if I weld any more bracing on it, the engine mounts won't fit. Will the lower sector support provide enough stability that I shouldn't worry about it? Tim Reinforcing the steering box mount is probably where the biggest gains are found in welding and reinforcing the K-member. Fall Fling 28 October 19, 2024 at Woodley Park, Van Nuys CA 300+ Mopars, 125+ swap, midway, Friday Malibu cruise,

Re: WELDED K member pictures [Re: autoxcuda] #1188794 03/25/12 03:15 PM 03/25/12 03:15 PM
Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska 72Swinger master
72Swinger master Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska	Those sector supports are helpful but one problem with those is if the box flexes or the K flexes the sector bearing then take the brunt of the load. So if the sector shaft is held solid to the K and you still have flex what takes the load now? Yep I've seen it in Dodge trucks that have the sector braced but the frame still flexes. Mopar to the bone!!!

Re: WELDED K member pictures [Re: 72Swinger] #1188795 03/25/12 03:37 PM 03/25/12 03:37 PM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA Kern Dog OP Striving for excellence
Kern Dog OP Striving for excellence Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA	The steering sector shaft inside the case of the chuck must ride on some sort of bearing, right? This makes 2 points of support if the add on kit is added. I'd think that it would be unlikely to flex enough to cause damage. The oil seal may deform under some stress, but if everything is in good condition, I see no problem. I didn't understand the reasoning regarding the shortcut in steering box supports a few posts back. Maybe the HEMI mounts share the same space? I agree with Steve, the strengthening of the steering mounts should be the lions share of gains of K member welding.

Re: WELDED K member pictures [Re: Kern Dog] #1188796 03/25/12 04:27 PM 03/25/12 04:27 PM
Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska 72Swinger master
72Swinger master Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska	During steering that extra support bearing is awesome. During flexing,whether it be the K,aluminum steering box or steering box mount, the support bearing isn't going to always flex along with whatever is going on, or flex at all. So that support bearing can actually act as a cantilever and apply force to the sector shaft and its bearings. My point is I think bracing the box mount is important even with the support bearing in place. Last edited by 72Swinger; 03/28/12 08:30 PM. Mopar to the bone!!!

Re: WELDED K member pictures [Re: 72Swinger] #1188797 03/28/12 02:11 PM 03/28/12 02:11 PM
Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 4,785 Utah and Alaska astjp2 master
astjp2 master Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 4,785 Utah and Alaska	Ok, this is what a Hemi mount looks like. 7139716-DSCN0225.JPG (558 downloads)

Re: WELDED K member pictures [Re: astjp2] #1188798 03/28/12 02:14 PM 03/28/12 02:14 PM
Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 4,785 Utah and Alaska astjp2 master
astjp2 master Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 4,785 Utah and Alaska	Here is a side view...there is 1 bolt that goes in the top and one from the front going aft. 7139719-DSCN0226.JPG (534 downloads)

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