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AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive #1181957 02/19/12 11:43 AM 02/19/12 11:43 AM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 11,689 W. Kentucky justinp61 OP I Live Here
justinp61 OP I Live Here Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 11,689 W. Kentucky	I sat down last night and made a list of the fittings I need to reroute my fuel line on the Dart. It came up to almost $190 before shipping , $75 of that is for the carb line kit. Wow! All this just to move the line from the inside of the frame rail in the engine bay to the outter fenderwell and going to a 8 AN from the regulator to the carb.

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: justinp61] #1181958 02/19/12 11:52 AM 02/19/12 11:52 AM
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Bigcube I Live Here Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 10,384 Upstate NY	Welcome to the world of building race cars. The reason people wonder why the cost to build a race car is so high is because they NEVER built one... Jim

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: justinp61] #1181959 02/19/12 11:52 AM 02/19/12 11:52 AM
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Deepockets super stock D Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 939 glendora, ca.	ya they sure are. just imagine how much guys spend when useing them on the radiator and vacuum pumps. as soon as you throw in some 90's and 180's, it adds up really quick.

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: Deepockets] #1181960 02/19/12 12:40 PM 02/19/12 12:40 PM
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dmking enthusiast D Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 319 jonestown,pa	including the pumps and regulator and 10an to 12an Y block was around 700 bucks with the line.

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: justinp61] #1181961 02/19/12 12:53 PM 02/19/12 12:53 PM
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451Mopar master Joined: May 2008 Posts: 5,399 Aurora, Colorado	Jegs sells their house brand AN fittings that are slightly less expensive.

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: justinp61] #1181962 02/19/12 01:06 PM 02/19/12 01:06 PM
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Thumperdart I Live Here T Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,318 State of confusion	For sure...............$1,100 later and I have a new pump, earls light weight black #10, #8 and black fittings............hope it goes faster. 72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: Thumperdart] #1181963 02/19/12 01:10 PM 02/19/12 01:10 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,257 gulfport, ms, west mi rowin4 master
rowin4 master Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,257 gulfport, ms, west mi	How do you feel the black hose will hold up after a few years of use? Stainless braid seems to last forever, at least on the out side. it's ok to butt heads, just don't do it with a butthead

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: rowin4] #1181964 02/19/12 01:15 PM 02/19/12 01:15 PM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,318 State of confusion T Thumperdart I Live Here
Thumperdart I Live Here T Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,318 State of confusion	The Earls is supposed to last w/fuel,oil etc. and many I know using it says it rocks. Easy to cut w/a pvc cutter and no bloody fingers and less than 1/2 the weight..............guess we`ll see. It definately needs to be clear of excessive heat though and w/fenderwell headers, I just ran it along the frame rail in front of the engine to the reg. which now is mounted at the carb. 72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: justinp61] #1181965 02/19/12 02:55 PM 02/19/12 02:55 PM
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Hemi Allstate master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,675 Mt. Eden Ky.	I was surprised how quick it adds up too.Especially the odd angle pieces! 7079598-572HemiLinkage.jpg (86 downloads) 1996 Ram 1500 Sport 1968 road runner 1952 Sears Allstate licensed, pump gas, Hemi 5.98 @ 115.73 1.33 60 ft. The best is yet to come. Painless Performance / Street RODDER magazine Top 100 for 2019

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: rowin4] #1181966 02/19/12 03:25 PM 02/19/12 03:25 PM
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SB412DUSTER top fuel S Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 2,360 Mobile Alabama	Quote: How do you feel the black hose will hold up after a few years of use? Stainless braid seems to last forever, at least on the out side. I've been running it for a little over 3 years now, it the best thing since sliced bread 7079646-IMG_0992.JPG (75 downloads)

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: SB412DUSTER] #1181967 02/19/12 04:06 PM 02/19/12 04:06 PM
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Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: SB412DUSTER] #1181968 02/19/12 05:06 PM 02/19/12 05:06 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,314 The Swamp MegaDart master
MegaDart master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,314 The Swamp	Quote: Quote: How do you feel the black hose will hold up after a few years of use? Stainless braid seems to last forever, at least on the out side. I've been running it for a little over 3 years now, it the best thing since sliced bread Been using it about 5 years now and I totally agree with sb412

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: MegaDart] #1181969 02/19/12 06:27 PM 02/19/12 06:27 PM
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mcat4321 master M Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,101 cincinnati ohio	hit that auction site and do a search for nascar hose, nascar line and nascar fittings you can steal some used race tean stuff and they only use the best..

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: mcat4321] #1181970 02/19/12 06:39 PM 02/19/12 06:39 PM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,212 Canton, Ohio Crazy68Dart pro stock
Crazy68Dart pro stock Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,212 Canton, Ohio	It is highway robbery. Some of the house options do not have all of fitting styles available. So far I have used, Earls, Summit, Jegs, and Fragola. 383, Hemi 4-Speed, AlterKtion, D60

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: justinp61] #1181971 02/19/12 08:10 PM 02/19/12 08:10 PM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,213 New York polyspheric master
polyspheric master Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,213 New York	You could use steel lines and compression or flare fittings for 10% of the cost, but then it wouldn't be SHINYYYYY. Boffin Emeritus

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: mcat4321] #1181972 02/19/12 09:34 PM 02/19/12 09:34 PM
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HEMIFRED master Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY	Quote: hit that auction site and do a search for nascar hose, nascar line and nascar fittings you can steal some used race tean stuff and they only use the best.. some prices are 1/10th the cost home of the Sox and Martin Hemi Duster

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1181973 02/19/12 10:07 PM 02/19/12 10:07 PM
Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 4,785 Utah and Alaska astjp2 master
astjp2 master Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 4,785 Utah and Alaska	So far not a one of those brands is a true AN fitting. Check out genuine aircraft hardware for real AN fittings, not the knockoff stuff. Tim Quote: It is highway robbery. Some of the house options do not have all of fitting styles available. So far I have used, Earls, Summit, Jegs, and Fragola.

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: astjp2] #1181974 02/19/12 10:36 PM 02/19/12 10:36 PM
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8urvette super stock 8 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 782 wine country	i made the move away from AN S.S. braided.... every dang time it touched one i bled. Im trying to switch all over to push-loc hose. I have done a bunch of it on my car and have not bled once

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: astjp2] #1181975 02/19/12 10:47 PM 02/19/12 10:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,247 Mt. Vernon, Ohio dartman366 I Live Here
dartman366 I Live Here Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,247 Mt. Vernon, Ohio	Quote: So far not a one of those brands is a true AN fitting. Check out genuine aircraft hardware for real AN fittings, not the knockoff stuff. Tim Quote: It is highway robbery. Some of the house options do not have all of fitting styles available. So far I have used, Earls, Summit, Jegs, and Fragola. so, what in your opinion is the difference between a true AN and the knockoff's?? Light travels faster than the speed of sound,,,this is why some people seem bright untill you hear them speak.

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: dartman366] #1181976 02/19/12 11:17 PM 02/19/12 11:17 PM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,212 Canton, Ohio Crazy68Dart pro stock
Crazy68Dart pro stock Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,212 Canton, Ohio	Quote: Quote: So far not a one of those brands is a true AN fitting. Check out genuine aircraft hardware for real AN fittings, not the knockoff stuff. Tim Quote: It is highway robbery. Some of the house options do not have all of fitting styles available. So far I have used, Earls, Summit, Jegs, and Fragola. so, what in your opinion is the difference between a true AN and the knockoff's?? Sounds even more expensive... 383, Hemi 4-Speed, AlterKtion, D60

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: HEMIFRED] #1181977 02/19/12 11:34 PM 02/19/12 11:34 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,101 cincinnati ohio M mcat4321 master
mcat4321 master M Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,101 cincinnati ohio	Quote: Quote: hit that auction site and do a search for nascar hose, nascar line and nascar fittings you can steal some used race tean stuff and they only use the best.. some prices are 1/10th the cost i just recieved this auction i won.. i would bet they never been used ... $31 http://www.ebay.com/itm/150759979350?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: HEMIFRED] #1181978 02/19/12 11:34 PM 02/19/12 11:34 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: Quote: hit that auction site and do a search for nascar hose, nascar line and nascar fittings you can steal some used race tean stuff and they only use the best.. some prices are 1/10th the cost Which auction site are you talking about?

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: ] #1181979 02/19/12 11:37 PM 02/19/12 11:37 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,101 cincinnati ohio M mcat4321 master
mcat4321 master M Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,101 cincinnati ohio	Quote: Quote: Quote: hit that auction site and do a search for nascar hose, nascar line and nascar fittings you can steal some used race tean stuff and they only use the best.. some prices are 1/10th the cost Which auction site are you talking about? the big one

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: dartman366] #1181980 02/19/12 11:39 PM 02/19/12 11:39 PM
Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 4,785 Utah and Alaska astjp2 master
astjp2 master Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 4,785 Utah and Alaska	The knock offs I got from Summit/jegs/speedway all had damaged threads. They also have a different class of fit, the AN is a tighter tolerance. Also True AN fittings come from companies like aeroquip and stratoflex. Tim

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: astjp2] #1181981 02/20/12 12:17 AM 02/20/12 12:17 AM
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Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Quote: The knock offs I got from Summit/jegs/speedway all had damaged threads. They also have a different class of fit, the AN is a tighter tolerance. Also True AN fittings come from companies like aeroquip and stratoflex. Tim Your right, most are cheap knock off fittings. True AN fittings cut into the inner liner along with the outer braid, I always heard them called cutter fittings. I'll take some pictures to show the difference tomorrow when I go to my race shop.

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: Challenger 1] #1181982 02/20/12 12:40 AM 02/20/12 12:40 AM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 11,689 W. Kentucky justinp61 OP I Live Here
justinp61 OP I Live Here Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 11,689 W. Kentucky	All the fittings on my car are Earls, it also has the Prolite 350 line. A friend of mine that used braided stuff for many years told me not to buy the cheap stuff. He recommended Earls so that's what I use. Good stuff, it just hurts to write the check .

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: justinp61] #1181983 02/20/12 12:50 AM 02/20/12 12:50 AM
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curleysracecars member C Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 186 Middleton, ID	Check out Ormes Brothers....they are in SoCal. The have everything, and know seemingly know everything about fittings and hose. Excellent guys to deal with. Kyle Curley

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: astjp2] #1181984 02/20/12 12:54 AM 02/20/12 12:54 AM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,247 Mt. Vernon, Ohio dartman366 I Live Here
dartman366 I Live Here Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,247 Mt. Vernon, Ohio	Quote: The knock offs I got from Summit/jegs/speedway all had damaged threads. They also have a different class of fit, the AN is a tighter tolerance. Also True AN fittings come from companies like aeroquip and stratoflex. Tim actually an industrial varient of the AN is the JIC that has the tightest tolerance, all AN or JIC fittings have a 37* sealing taper and are physically inerchangeable but the tolerance variation dis allow's the inerchange, so the knock off's are a true AN but with looser tolerance's altho I would not try and use a Russel,Earls, Jegs or any intended for automotive use on a Stainless steel Swedglok intended to be used on an aircraft jet engine. Light travels faster than the speed of sound,,,this is why some people seem bright untill you hear them speak.

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: curleysracecars] #1181985 02/20/12 12:54 AM 02/20/12 12:54 AM
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moparacer master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 2,530 PA	Yep it adds up quick. I pity you fellas that have all the plumbing with dry sump systems. That must cost a fortune. 67 Barracuda street/bracket car 11.27-119 68 Dart 502 BB 8.70s-152 414 cid SB Dragster 7.65-174

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: moparacer] #1181986 02/20/12 01:39 AM 02/20/12 01:39 AM
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Triple Threat master T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,266 Renton Washington	My car is all Earls pro-lite 350 as well, with earls fittings -10 feed, -8 return. Not cheap. Super easy to work with though. -Dustin 67 Dart, 9 second, 392" G3 Hemi 68 Barracuda 340 F/SA

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: moparacer] #1181987 02/20/12 01:42 AM 02/20/12 01:42 AM
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SB412DUSTER top fuel S Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 2,360 Mobile Alabama	Quote: Yep it adds up quick. I pity you fellas that have all the plumbing with dry sump systems. That must cost a fortune. When I changed my car over to dry sump I bought the pump, tank and oil pan and I said to my-self the expensive stuff is over....then I started buying the fittings and hose. I spent as much on hoses and fittings as I did on the other stuff

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: SB412DUSTER] #1181988 02/20/12 02:07 AM 02/20/12 02:07 AM
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tubtar master Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,082 St. Paul , Mn.	190.00 ? Don't take this the wrong way........and I sure ain't a Rockefeller........but you're getting off cheap ! I haven't added it up yet , and I have bought some from that auction site. But I am well north of two hunnert bucks. Last edited by tubtar; 02/20/12 02:07 AM.

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: Challenger 1] #1181989 02/20/12 03:57 PM 02/20/12 03:57 PM
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rt66jim master R Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,002 Joplin, Mo	Someone here posted this link to Aeroquip's online racer's specials. http://aeroquip.cc/index.aspx

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: justinp61] #1181990 02/20/12 06:41 PM 02/20/12 06:41 PM
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rickraw top fuel R Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,410 Ambridge, Pa.	WHAT ISN'T EXPENSIVE!!!!

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: justinp61] #1181991 02/20/12 06:54 PM 02/20/12 06:54 PM
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maximum entropy master M Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,080 organ	money well spent. i don't mind spending money on the good stuff at all. piece of mind. for what is the good life if not doing things thoughtfully?

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: maximum entropy] #1181992 02/20/12 08:00 PM 02/20/12 08:00 PM
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jamesc master J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,875 communist bloc of new jersey	imho don't bother buying house brand or unknown quality parts here. i brought summits house brand and had to send everything back and order aeroquip

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: jamesc] #1181993 02/20/12 08:30 PM 02/20/12 08:30 PM
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Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Quote: imho don't bother buying house brand or unknown quality parts here. i brought summits house brand and had to send everything back and order aeroquip Yes I assembled some Summit AN fittings for a friend last week. What crap they were, hose clamps would be better.

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: tubtar] #1181994 02/20/12 09:58 PM 02/20/12 09:58 PM
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justinp61 OP I Live Here Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 11,689 W. Kentucky	Quote: 190.00 ? Don't take this the wrong way........and I sure ain't a Rockefeller........but you're getting off cheap ! Yep, cheap compared to lots of other folks for sure. I'm just small fry in the pond.

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: justinp61] #1181995 02/20/12 11:11 PM 02/20/12 11:11 PM
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Diablo super stock D Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,107 Quebec, Canada	I am not even going to try and count the cost of all the Lines and AN fitting on this engine..... Last year we had to buy a special fuel sampling AN fitting which cost alone 70-80$ 7082365-640resize2011.jpg (32 downloads)

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: curleysracecars] #1181996 02/21/12 12:31 AM 02/21/12 12:31 AM
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mshred master M Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,428 Toronto	Quote: Check out Ormes Brothers....they are in SoCal. The have everything, and know seemingly know everything about fittings and hose. Excellent guys to deal with. another vote for them! I ordered about 200 dollars worth of push lok fittings from them. Great to deal with, and the stuff is a good quality brand for a great price too...Get in touch with Joel over there, and if your a yb member there is another discount too!

Re: AN Fittings Sure Are Expensive [Re: astjp2] #1181997 02/21/12 01:11 AM 02/21/12 01:11 AM
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jb500 enthusiast J Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 202 TN Hoosier	True "AN" fittings are used in the Aerospace and Military world. The thread class is different than std hyd fittings. Example: -4 thread in the aerospace world is a 7/16-20 UNJF-3A and the industrial variant is 7/16-20UNJF-2A. The two don't 100% interchange and you can seize or gall the fittings by mixing the two types up. If using "true" AN fittings. The fittings being pawned off as AN by the automotive world are not the "real deal." They use AN as a descriptor, just as Kleenex is used to describe any nose tissue to almost every one on here. Simply a JIC 37deg flare. Easier to use the bastardized AN label. They are cheap aluminum forgings that get about a 4000% markup when they get passed on to Joe racer being billed as AN. If you don't need the bling of red or blue aluminum or the small weight savings they offer, then start shopping industrial hyd fitings and save some $$$$. However, there are times that the expensive stuff is needed because the std hyd world does not have the connection you need. Same goes for hose. Use PTFE lined for fuel and 100R5 for trans, power steering lines, and oil lines. Also, the true AN fittings that Stratoflex sells are sourced and supplied to Stratoflex by me (well...at least the company I work for). They don't mfg their own...hardly any major fitting mfg makes their own any more.

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