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Sales Order Number translations #1179768
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SO#'s as follows
R56120 JS23V1G
C05943 BS23V0B
C02547 BS23R0B
G19321 JS29ROB
099156 JS23ROB
403527 JS23V1B
E35871 JH23ROB

Letter means what?

Do the first 3 digits signify anything
"099"
"403"
"926"
"902"
Does the sales zone have anything to do with the first 3 digits?

Re: Sales Order Number translations [Re: ThermoQuad] #1179769
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Yes, a letter in the first position means something. Depending on the letter, it could mean: dealer demo, lease car, sold in Canada, sold for export, outside modification such as sunroof, sales bank, package car like a Superbird, Hurst 300, TAs and AARs, special order, and other meanings. The meaning of the letter can change from year to year. There are few hard and fast rules regarding specialty VONs.

I have seen speculation that the third digit of a three digit specialty VON (typically a 700*** or above VON) may have something to do with routing and sales.

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Re: Sales Order Number translations [Re: 69CoronetRT] #1179770
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Thank you

I could research this privately and keep the information to myself, but we all need to be smarter about the subject. After trying already to learn something from a particular not well liked individual I think the best idea is to ask the masses. I have received conflicting information so far from my one source. I take notes when I talk to people...

Further assistance is required here. That is why I am asking.

thank you again

Re: Sales Order Number translations [Re: ThermoQuad] #1179771
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'B' in 1971 indicates a car built for Canadian specs

Most US-spec cars without a special prefix (G,M etc.) will begin with a digit, often 0

Re: Sales Order Number translations [Re: ThermoQuad] #1179772
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Quote:

403527 JS23V1B



I never seen a 4 at the beginning of the VON, maybe a typo?


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Re: Sales Order Number translations [Re: ThermoQuad] #1179773
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Quote:


Further assistance is required here. That is why I am asking.

SO#'s as follows
R56120 JS23V1G
C05943 BS23V0B
C02547 BS23R0B
G19321 JS29ROB
099156 JS23ROB
403527 JS23V1B
E35871 JH23ROB

Letter means what?

Do the first 3 digits signify anything
"099"
"403"
"926"
"902"
Does the sales zone have anything to do with the first 3 digits?






Typically when trying to decode the first letter of a VON, you need to associate it with a Y code to get the true meaning.

An R in the first position could mean a public relations or Chrysler Lease car/executive depending on the Y code.

C = Y07 - Canadian order

E = Y09 - Export

G = Outside modification. Something like a sunroof.

The leter "O" wasn't used but "Q" was and sometimes the tail of the letter is hard to see on a rusty tag. A zero in the first position holds no special meaning as far as I know.

A VON starting with 4 is possible. It holds no special meaning as far as I know.

A letter in the first position beginning in 1970 replaced the two to three digit specialty VONs used used in 1969 and earler.

For example, a 926*** VON in 1969 could mean special paint and this would have been replaced by something like a J in 1970 and later.

Letter VONs can change year to year. For example, the letter B is used in 69 to indicate a car sold in Canada where the letter C is used in 70 and later.

I still have a lot to learn about VONs but I hope this helps.

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Re: Sales Order Number translations [Re: 69CoronetRT] #1179774
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Also the G would be the sunroof code for 1971 but for 70 could be something totally different. Don't you just love the way they did things back then with not much documentation for it.

Re: Sales Order Number translations [Re: Ron69rr] #1179775
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Are these from handwritten notes?

G19321 JS29ROB - G was not used for 1970 models that I have seen - yet.

The JH Hemi at the bottom, typo or?

The only 1970 VON prefix that I have not found the meaning for yet is S, I have two tags recorded with it so far & both look legit.

Re: Sales Order Number translations [Re: Alaskan_TA] #1179776
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Looks like for 71, K might be for special paint?

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Re: Sales Order Number translations [Re: ThermoQuad] #1179777
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Re: Sales Order Number translations [Re: TONY_DAGOSTINO] #1179778
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Thanks Tony. Good Info. Right Click Save...

Re: Sales Order Number translations [Re: 493RT] #1179779
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thats Galens work


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Re: Sales Order Number translations [Re: Furyman] #1179780
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Thank you to everyone!!!

Tony you are a gem!

This is what I am looking for
Tony Dagostino has been very helpful in my history research
The history lesson will be coming in the very near future.

Even if the document is galen's work it does not matter.

[Galen are you lurking here? Pay attention!]

Galen gave me conflicting information in 2 phone calls? Gee whiz I take notes when interviewing people. Whose side are you on Galen??
What I needed Tony posted. Why did Galen not offer me the document?

Everyone should have this information

Barry: yes they are "handwritten notes" on particular applications from the 1980's
Your phone will be ringing regarding these "handwritten notes"
The JH Hemi at the bottom, typo or?
no typo
On FT info as well. Will send a scan

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Re: Sales Order Number translations [Re: ThermoQuad] #1179781
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I have some outside stuff to do today between 3 - 6 PM your time.

Other that that, I should be close to the phone.


W is not on that list, 1970 code for Dealership Rental Car. An example of one at http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/numbersMatching/0B-Tag.jpg

Re: Sales Order Number translations [Re: Alaskan_TA] #1179782
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M00541 1970 car
No y code on the tag
no broadcast sheet

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Re: Sales Order Number translations [Re: ThermoQuad] #1179783
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dealer demo?/show car? my 70 Y28 has Q ..my 71 has M0 and its a PROMO.. dan

Re: Sales Order Number translations [Re: ThermoQuad] #1179784
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Quote:

M00541 1970 car




Would it happen to be a Dodge B body?


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Re: Sales Order Number translations [Re: 69CoronetRT] #1179785
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Sorry, but I am forced to be a bit vague here but
I will reveal the identity in the future
It's a one of one and part of my current research.

Re: Sales Order Number translations [Re: ThermoQuad] #1179786
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Why is there no 0 in Galens white book? My 70 dart has a zero as the first number in the vehicle order number, what does that stand for? Are the canadian built 70 darts special?

Re: Sales Order Number translations [Re: stevet340] #1179787
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0 is a number, no special meaning.

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