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Re: wheel spacers
[Re: phil4161972]
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02/14/12 05:24 PM
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off road guys with huge (44-48") tires use 3+" spacers all the time....
anything over about an inch, I like the idea of a bolt on adapter, with it's own lugs on it that the wheel bolts to to limit free length and potential shear issues.
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Re: wheel spacers
[Re: phil4161972]
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02/14/12 06:33 PM
02/14/12 06:33 PM
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1" spacers give the wheels lots of leverage to break studs and generally beat stuff up. You can try a bolt on spacer but your best bet is to pretend you never heard of them and get the proper wheels for the car. I needed a 1-1/4" spacer for the wheels on the hot rod. The spokes were in contact with my brake calipers. Instead of doing something like that, I had Ozhemi source the wheels with the mounting pad cast the proper depth. Yes, it cost a little more but I don't have to worry about spacers.  In this pic you can see how deep the lug nuts are set into the wheel hub. 
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Re: wheel spacers
[Re: Daty Rogers]
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02/14/12 11:42 PM
02/14/12 11:42 PM
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Sell those wheels and get proper ones, you willing to bet your car against a wheel falling off at speed?
-Daty
I know 5-7cm is about the thickest I would go before going to a bolt on spacer but that just me - 1" I wouldn't chance it...
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Re: wheel spacers
[Re: phil4161972]
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02/15/12 12:13 AM
02/15/12 12:13 AM
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I already have the wheels for the car
If the wheels are 2 piece, just get them cut apart and change the back spacing to what is needed...
That is how I would go personally at least.
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Re: wheel spacers
[Re: astjp2]
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02/15/12 06:40 AM
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I have 1 1/2 wheel spacers all around on my valiant that I put mustang wheels on, they are the bolt on type with their own lugs. The tires are in the same spot as my old cop car wheels were, so there isnt any extra load, as the wheel is still in the same spot. The rims were just offset different. I also have them on the front of a pickup I have that I put a diplomat stub in, the front track width was too narrow, so I put 1 1/2 spacers on that too. I drive it all the time, and they too are the bolt on type. These wheels are out farther, but they have been problem free. Just make sure the rotors studs dont stick out to far and the wheels hit them. I put a set of wheels on my car trailer, and it turned out one axle was welded in crooked, so I popped the studs out, put three inch studs in the one wheel and put a half inch spacer on, it has held up great too. Just make sure whatever spacer you use that the threads stick past the lug nut a couple threads and it will work fine.  
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Re: wheel spacers
[Re: phil4161972]
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02/15/12 09:46 AM
02/15/12 09:46 AM
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I am thinkin about using 1" spacers so with good studs I should be ok then? Also is there a need to worry about centering the spacer if it is a universal type?
if you're not using a bolt-on style, I'd definitely make sure the spacer is hub-centric, and not located by the wheels studs. that thick though, with only 5 1/2" wheel studs (vs say 8 14mm or 8 9/16" studs) I'd do a bolt-on adapter...if your wheels have pockets on the back side between the lug nut holes, I have some 3/4" ones that may work well for you. I ran them on my 5th ave with mustang bullit wheels for 9 years with no issues.
IIRC my boss' old 1 ton GMC came from the factory with 2" or 2 1/2" spacers on the front axle....
around here there's a lot of guys running 44's on dana 60 fronts and GM 14 bolts out back on their off road rigs, and hummer H1 rims which have a lot of positive offset
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1986 Silver/Twilight Blue Chrysler 5th Ave HotRod **SOLD!***
2011 Toxic Orange Dodge Charger R/T
2017 Grand Cherokee Overland
2014 Jeep Cherokee Latitude (holy crap, my daughter is driving)
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Re: wheel spacers
[Re: patrick]
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02/15/12 10:06 AM
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there's quite a few Dakota's with viper brake swaps that have a 1" spacer to clear the calipers. as said, might not be the best set-up, but I haven't heard of anyone breaking anything from the spacers....but they all spend a few dollars more and get the ones that are hub centric, and just "float" on the studs.
I have the parts to do a viper brake swap on my truck too, and will use spacers until I have the coin to buy me a nice set of custom CCWs to fit. If it ever breaks, I'll let you guys know.
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Re: wheel spacers
[Re: phil4161972]
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02/15/12 02:59 PM
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I have personally seen those bolt on wheel spacers like what is picture above fail. Where would one find a hub centric spacer? All the ones I have seen are univeral and lug centric.
The wheels on the car currently are torq thrusts which im pretty sure are two peice, does anybody know who would change that offset and any idea on cost?
Thanks for all the input
mine I pictured above are custom made billet aluminum with the center hole hub centric for mopar hubs. they are 3/4" thick, so the lug nut/stud on the car sit slightly proud of the mounting surface of the adapter. that's why the wheels need a pocket on the back side. not an issue when the spacers are 1" thick. these are as stiff or stiffer than a typical hub flange, as the back side the lugs are recessed in so the rear is flush, that still leaves about 9/16"-5/8" of aluminum there, and at it's minumum thickness at the base of the taper, they're almost 1/2" thick, thicker than any comparable wheel...they were about $200 to buy when I bought them 10 years ago.
the Mr. gasket universal cast ones are garbage. I had bought some to try them out, and they cracked before I had the lugnuts torqued even half-way to 85 ft-lbs.
torque thrusts are typically 1 piece cast btw
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2011 Toxic Orange Dodge Charger R/T
2017 Grand Cherokee Overland
2014 Jeep Cherokee Latitude (holy crap, my daughter is driving)
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Re: wheel spacers
[Re: patrick]
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02/15/12 03:13 PM
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mine I pictured above are custom made billet aluminum with the center hole hub centric for mopar hubs. they are 3/4" thick, so the lug nut/stud on the car sit slightly proud of the mounting surface of the adapter. that's why the wheels need a pocket on the back side. not an issue when the spacers are 1" thick. these are as stiff or stiffer than a typical hub flange, as the back side the lugs are recessed in so the rear is flush, that still leaves about 9/16"-5/8" of aluminum there, and at it's minumum thickness at the base of the taper, they're almost 1/2" thick, thicker than any comparable wheel...they were about $200 to buy when I bought them 10 years ago.
the Mr. gasket universal cast ones are garbage. I had bought some to try them out, and they cracked before I had the lugnuts torqued even half-way to 85 ft-lbs.
Yup, cast spacers are garbage, but high quality billet pieces are common these days & if it fails chances are good it wasn't installed properly.... I agree it's best to find wheels that don't need them but FWIW I did a google search of Wheel Spacer failures, Wheel Spacer problems, Wheel Spacer accidents... The results? A few "I heard", or "twenty years ago" type posts but failures that include pictures? Three posts, & of those in two it was obvious the lugs holding the spacer to the hub had either been left loose or had loosened which still points to them not being tight enough to put the wheel stud under tension... The third picture was a Donk & I rule out product fault it that case without further opinion... 
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Re: wheel spacers
[Re: 1_WILD_RT]
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02/15/12 08:18 PM
02/15/12 08:18 PM
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I have hub centric spacers, but they didnt clear the front rotors hub, so I had to lathe it out some.
I put the wheels on, took the car for a cruise, undid the wheels, retorqued the adapters and put the wheels back on. Thankfully I have a line lock for the front wheels! Put maybe 75 miles on that day, nothing was loose, but with any new wheel install, a retorque is cheap insurance, but 99 percent dont ever do that. Every time I have stopped on the side of a raod for a guy with a tire missing, he says, I just had these wheels put on, that explains it all. Every tire store i know will retorque them for free, but its amazing how no one has time for that, but they seem to make time to stand on the side of the road waiting for the tow truck!
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Re: wheel spacers
[Re: feets]
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02/15/12 08:19 PM
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I know 5-7cm is about the thickest I would go before going to a bolt on spacer but that just me - 1" I wouldn't chance it...
ummmm... 5-7cm is 1.96" to 2.27"
Did you mean 5-7 mm? That would be .196" to .227"
doh! i did mean mm
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, not sure I understand the reason why, I can't see a bolt on wheel spacer ever being as strong as a plain properly fitted spacer, unless we are talking something say over a couple of inches thick. Not question they may work, just can't be as strong on thinner spacers?
