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Re: wheel spacers [Re: dangina] #1178415 02/16/12 08:25 AM 02/16/12 08:25 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,477 Answering the call of the wild T ThermoQuad top fuel
ThermoQuad top fuel T Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,477 Answering the call of the wild	May I take this opportunity to remind everyone that this is the going fast in the corners forum and items like wheel spacers are a big NO NO on cars put under duress or driven as transportation. It's called making good decisions and safety, not looking cool. I wish I was a moderator as I would nuke this thread.

Re: wheel spacers [Re: ThermoQuad] #1178416 02/16/12 08:55 AM 02/16/12 08:55 AM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,862 the frozen wastes... Pale_Roader Swears too much
Pale_Roader Swears too much Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,862 the frozen wastes...	Quote: May I take this opportunity to remind everyone that this is the going fast in the corners forum and items like wheel spacers are a big NO NO on cars put under duress. It's called good decisions and safety. I wish I was a moderator as I would nuke this thread. I would have to agree on this one... but i also have to admit i have only a 'hunch' to go on. A hunch is not enough for me. I have been to a good handful ov serious wheel/tire/chassis guys and brought this up. Mustang 17 & 18" rims are cheap and plentiful... and not everyone can afford real rims. Spacers come up a LOT in casual conversation. Every single one ov these guys uses, has used or even recommends these things (bolt-on billet hub-centric spacers). The rock-crawler and 44" mudder testimonies are always brought up, and to everyones satisfaction, but it still doesn't sit well somehow, with me. If a truck hub fails its not usually at 100+mph, and any abuse those monster rigs see is always off-road. Cars WILL get flogged on public roads, mine will see a lot ov canyon fun... so the hub-spacers scare me a bit. Still... for $200 i can mount ANY cheap wheel i can find, with a perfect offset. Mighty tempting. The above poster (not Tom) mentioning no Google-search mentions ov failures is interesting though... certainly something would have come up, and you know it would be mentioned online. Hmmm...

Re: wheel spacers [Re: ThermoQuad] #1178417 02/16/12 10:31 AM 02/16/12 10:31 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,123 Grand Haven, MI patrick I Live Here
patrick I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,123 Grand Haven, MI	I can definitely see their limitation, especially if you're coming at it from someone like Tom, who's on a track going 150+ MPH. BUT a good quality billet adapter isn't something that is going to fail. I'd trust a good quality billet adapter allowing the use of good quality wheels (i.e. my OEM mustang rims cast here in the USA) than any of the offshore cast wheels that our out there that may have the proper offset. for typical driving, and even autocross, I've never seen a failure of good quality, bolt on adapters. if there was a failure, I'd bet money it was due to, as previously mentioned, the adapters not properly torqued and the lugs backed off. of course, that can happen with an aluminum wheel even without an adapter, too. 1976 Spinnaker White Plymouth Duster, /6 A833OD 1986 Silver/Twilight Blue Chrysler 5th Ave HotRod SOLD!* 2011 Toxic Orange Dodge Charger R/T 2017 Grand Cherokee Overland 2014 Jeep Cherokee Latitude (holy crap, my daughter is driving)

Re: wheel spacers [Re: ThermoQuad] #1178418 02/16/12 09:31 PM 02/16/12 09:31 PM
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,491 Lethbridge, AB, Canada dangina pro stock
dangina pro stock Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,491 Lethbridge, AB, Canada	Quote: May I take this opportunity to remind everyone that this is the going fast in the corners forum and items like wheel spacers are a big NO NO on cars put under duress or driven as transportation. It's called making good decisions and safety, not looking cool. I wish I was a moderator as I would nuke this thread. I don't see the problem as a lot of drifters use spacers on their cars pushing upwards of 300-600 hp and the whole sport relies on you going sideways through corners and I have yet to see one fail...

Re: wheel spacers [Re: patrick] #1178419 02/16/12 09:34 PM 02/16/12 09:34 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,988 Warren, MI J Jerry master
Jerry master J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,988 Warren, MI	i don't really get it either... even custom spaced wheels have a spacer built into the hub since alot of these wheels have a positive offset. the spacer is just cast as part of the wheel. if you add a good spacer, one thats machined from billet vs a cast one i think you'd be ok. the billet spacer would be just as strong as the wheel itself. ultimately the only difference i see is that the nut is not interacting higher up on the stud and not at the base which could ultimately overload the stud, but thats a heck of alot of force needed. Superior Design Concepts 2574 Elliott Dr Troy MI 48083 jerry@sdconcepts.com www.sdconcepts.com Facebook page: Superior Design Concepts www.bcrproducts.com

Re: wheel spacers [Re: dangina] #1178420 02/16/12 09:50 PM 02/16/12 09:50 PM
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours Supercuda About to go away
Supercuda About to go away Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours	Quote: Quote: May I take this opportunity to remind everyone that this is the going fast in the corners forum and items like wheel spacers are a big NO NO on cars put under duress or driven as transportation. It's called making good decisions and safety, not looking cool. I wish I was a moderator as I would nuke this thread. I don't see the problem as a lot of drifters use spacers on their cars pushing upwards of 300-600 hp and the whole sport relies on you going sideways through corners and I have yet to see one fail... I've yet to see a DRIFTER catch traction in a corner. They say there are no such thing as a stupid question. They say there is always the exception that proves the rule. Don't be the exception.

Re: wheel spacers [Re: Supercuda] #1178421 02/16/12 11:38 PM 02/16/12 11:38 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,123 Grand Haven, MI patrick I Live Here
patrick I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,123 Grand Haven, MI	Quote: Quote: Quote: May I take this opportunity to remind everyone that this is the going fast in the corners forum and items like wheel spacers are a big NO NO on cars put under duress or driven as transportation. It's called making good decisions and safety, not looking cool. I wish I was a moderator as I would nuke this thread. I don't see the problem as a lot of drifters use spacers on their cars pushing upwards of 300-600 hp and the whole sport relies on you going sideways through corners and I have yet to see one fail... I've yet to see a DRIFTER catch traction in a corner. I have seen A LOT of autocrossers using them, too 1976 Spinnaker White Plymouth Duster, /6 A833OD 1986 Silver/Twilight Blue Chrysler 5th Ave HotRod SOLD!* 2011 Toxic Orange Dodge Charger R/T 2017 Grand Cherokee Overland 2014 Jeep Cherokee Latitude (holy crap, my daughter is driving)

Re: wheel spacers [Re: patrick] #1178422 02/16/12 11:54 PM 02/16/12 11:54 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows? 1_WILD_RT Management Trainee
1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	Do a search on Ruf Porsche 930... Might even add 21mm (3/4") to your search... If Ruf finds them acceptable for a car like the 930..... I think most folks on Moparts aren't gonna have an issue... "The Armies of our ancestors were lucky, in that they were not trailed by a second army of pencil pushers."

Re: wheel spacers [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1178423 02/17/12 02:50 PM 02/17/12 02:50 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 164 NC P phil4161972 OP member
phil4161972 OP member P Joined: May 2005 Posts: 164 NC	Thanks for all the response. I still dont know if I want to try spacers out or not but it has been an interesting read.

Re: wheel spacers [Re: ThermoQuad] #1178424 02/17/12 03:09 PM 02/17/12 03:09 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,268 Here J jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds..
jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds.. J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,268 Here	Quote: May I take this opportunity to remind everyone that this is the going fast in the corners .......... It's called making good decisions and safety, not looking cool. I wish I was a moderator as I would nuke this thread. I have shared your discontent many times, however to steer away as far as possible from a "corner carvers" website mentality , I follow the original Can Am rule, there are no rules. " All sorts of things can happen when you are open to new Ideas" Inventor of Kevlar

Re: wheel spacers [Re: jcc] #1178425 02/17/12 04:27 PM 02/17/12 04:27 PM
Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska 72Swinger master
72Swinger master Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska	Im gonna run some 1/4" spacers this summer in the front. Already have Mustang wheels and they are lug centric on my Dodge anyway so guess what, a spacer isnt gonna change squat..... Mopar to the bone!!!

Re: wheel spacers [Re: 72Swinger] #1178426 02/18/12 10:22 AM 02/18/12 10:22 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,477 Answering the call of the wild T ThermoQuad top fuel
ThermoQuad top fuel T Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,477 Answering the call of the wild	Imo the word autocross is not a good word on here. Autocross is child's play compared to running high speed laps. [Mitch this is not directed at you and your talent] Then again a wheel spacer would shows it colors under the duress of autocross... The whole concept of corner carving is to take these old cars we drive and make them drive better everywhere. Very few people on here have the $$$$$$$$$$$ to race let alone run 2 days on the road course in a driving school. It costs $650.00+ for 2 days at the track. Fuel, food, gas, oil, motel, $420.00 entry fee...now add the cost of what was spent on the car. I don't care who uses wheel spacers on their expensive cars, as they "engineered" the spacers into the concept. For us it's a bad concept and a compromise. Then again if you are building a show car that looks like it might take a corner fast then wheel spacers are fine.

Re: wheel spacers [Re: phil4161972] #1178427 02/19/12 10:43 AM 02/19/12 10:43 AM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 802 central CT cudazappa super stock
cudazappa super stock Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 802 central CT	I've run 1" and 1.25" spacers on my car. I've never used the "shim" slip on type, only the solid 6061 with high quality studs. that bolt onto the hub type (and then you mount your rim on the spacer) I've never had a problem with them. On the street, never an issue. Unbolt the street tires, put on my Autocross DOTs, drive to the event, drive the car hard for about a minute at a time, average day 6 runs, and drive home. Change back to street tires. Every time the rims are off I will check the torque on the spacers with my calibrated torque wrench (because I'm paranoid). Suffice to say, I've never had to re-torque them, everything stays put at 100ft/lbs. Now for the sake of argument, I broke out my old statics and dynamics books and drew the free body diagrams for both a 0 offset wheel and 1" offset wheel with a 1" spacer. Using the normal FBD as the given, I compared it to the offset FBD. At the wheel hub, there is a different torque moment. However, the spacer transfers the forces of the 1" offset wheel into the hub like a normal 0 offset wheel. This is much like Feets custom wheels he had made with the extra 1.25" boss forged onto the back of the hub. However that's in static, and assuming the wheel will not see forces that will flex it. Dynamics could play a role on the outer wheel bearings as there's an additional torque from the longer lever arm now attached to the hub. AndyF, care to check that? I think I'm right. I'm even going to double check with my old prof on Tuesday. And the only reason why I currently use spacers is that I don't have the coin for nice forged 17x9s. Genuine Ford rims are the best choice for me now, it just does get annoying with 40 lug nuts rather than 20. 1971 Challenger

Re: wheel spacers [Re: cudazappa] #1178428 02/22/12 09:36 PM 02/22/12 09:36 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,101 NotRussia 2 2fast4yourBrain Whack top Dodger
2fast4yourBrain Whack top Dodger 2 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,101 NotRussia	I run 'em on my G35 (15mm ones); no problem. Older 911 turbos used them from the factory. Just get good quality, billet, bolt-on types for anything 1" or larger. 70 318 Chally vert FC7/XW (sold) 06 300c SRT8 04 2500 QCLB 4x4 HO 1971 BMW 2800CS 1955 Nomad 1970 280SL

Re: wheel spacers [Re: 2fast4yourBrain] #1178429 02/23/12 01:19 AM 02/23/12 01:19 AM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 732 Canada MUSLCA super stock
MUSLCA super stock Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 732 Canada	I ran a set of 2.5 inch wide adapters on my 2001 GMC Sonoma for a year with absolutely no issues. It's quite common theses days. 7085872-Sawblades.jpg (94 downloads)

Re: wheel spacers [Re: MUSLCA] #1178430 02/23/12 01:21 AM 02/23/12 01:21 AM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 732 Canada MUSLCA super stock
MUSLCA super stock Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 732 Canada	Then I used them on my Jimmy for another year. Same thing, no issues. 7085876-jimmy1.jpg (76 downloads)

Re: wheel spacers [Re: MUSLCA] #1178431 02/23/12 01:24 AM 02/23/12 01:24 AM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 732 Canada MUSLCA super stock
MUSLCA super stock Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 732 Canada	That's how I was able to fit a 17x8.5 Corvette rim on these vehicles. 7085877-19642_267783948761_682513761_3160216_1519953_n.jpg (78 downloads)

Re: wheel spacers [Re: MUSLCA] #1178432 02/23/12 07:22 AM 02/23/12 07:22 AM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,862 the frozen wastes... Pale_Roader Swears too much
Pale_Roader Swears too much Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,862 the frozen wastes...	Come to think ov it, my 68 Caddy hearse actually came with factory spacers... not adapters, but actual spacers to slip over the long-shanked lugs (not threaded through the spacer). This was to bring the rear track out to the quarters as those commercial chassis' are widened. The spacers are about 2" each, and made ov solid iron. I was going to try and find a way to replace them with something lighter, as they weigh a ton... but i figure with a vehicle ov that size... probably best to leave the iron in place. Not that these cars were expected to slalom or skidpad all that well... but still... 'factory' cars are usually over-engineered in the name ov safety...

Re: wheel spacers [Re: Pale_Roader] #1178433 02/23/12 08:53 AM 02/23/12 08:53 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,988 Warren, MI J Jerry master
Jerry master J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,988 Warren, MI	the biggest issue with the cheap cast spacers is that they can crack. Sometimes they are not flat from the casting process and when you torque your wheel down and flatten them out the part disintegrates only to be let go while driving, causing a very dangerour situation. now if you buy billet machined spacers usually made from 6061 and they are machined hub centric to fit your wheels and your rotor hub, you will be miles ahead. there is no reason that these don't act like an extension of the wheel. and in fact if you use a hub centric spacer, it may even strengthen the wheel hub joint as opposed to your lug centric wheels alone. Superior Design Concepts 2574 Elliott Dr Troy MI 48083 jerry@sdconcepts.com www.sdconcepts.com Facebook page: Superior Design Concepts www.bcrproducts.com

Re: wheel spacers [Re: Jerry] #1178434 03/02/12 11:17 PM 03/02/12 11:17 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 732 Canada MUSLCA super stock
MUSLCA super stock Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 732 Canada	no other choice but billet adapters, strong as heck. 7100649-sawblades005.JPG (73 downloads)

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