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440 Cam #1162440 01/22/12 02:26 AM 01/22/12 02:26 AM
Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 583 San Antonio, TX CurYellowBird OP mopar
CurYellowBird OP mopar Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 583 San Antonio, TX	Trying to decide on what cam to use in my mildly built 440. Here are the specs: - 78' 440 bored .030 - L2355 Flat Top (Six Pack) Pistons 2.06 CH - 452 heads, 86-88cc, 2.14/1.81 valved, mild port work - Dual Plane Performer or Performer RPM Intake - FAST EZ-EFI Fuel Injection System - 4 Speed Car Stage 2 Clutch - 3.23 or 3.55 gear The only real restrictor is that I want to run the factory hi-po manifolds rather than headers. The two cams I am looking at is either Lunati's 60303 or 60304. Hughes recommended their 2328 camshaft. I have manual brakes, power steering, 4 speed, and A/c, so vacuum is not an issue. Have to thank the original owner for his choice of options. Lunati 60303: http://www.lunatipower.com/Product.aspx?id=2337&gid=297 Lunati 60304: http://www.lunatipower.com/Product.aspx?id=2338&gid=297 Hughes 2328: http://www.hughesengines.com/Index/products.php?browse=search&search=2328&partid=21850 Last edited by CurYellowBird; 01/22/12 03:25 AM. Project War Bird: 1971 Plymouth Roadrunner 383 4 speed with air conditioning GY3 Curious yellow All original

Re: 440 Cam Selection [Re: CurYellowBird] #1162441 01/22/12 02:29 AM 01/22/12 02:29 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts
DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada	With your gear choices, I wouldn't want to go any more than the 60303 for now.

Re: 440 Cam Selection [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #1162442 01/22/12 02:30 AM 01/22/12 02:30 AM
Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 583 San Antonio, TX CurYellowBird OP mopar
CurYellowBird OP mopar Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 583 San Antonio, TX	Swapping gears is easy. Luckily my old man has 5 third members ranging from 2.91, 3.23, 3.55, 3.91, and a 4.3? locker. Project War Bird: 1971 Plymouth Roadrunner 383 4 speed with air conditioning GY3 Curious yellow All original

Re: 440 Cam Selection [Re: CurYellowBird] #1162443 01/22/12 02:34 AM 01/22/12 02:34 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,006 s. e. pa. C calrobb2000 top fuel
calrobb2000 top fuel C Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,006 s. e. pa.	hi 280-474 hemi grind is my choice with that combo !

Re: 440 Cam [Re: CurYellowBird] #1162444 01/22/12 12:49 PM 01/22/12 12:49 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet
Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md	if those are your choices then the 1st one. For about the same price you could call Scoot Brown or any other guy and have a custom done. What is the compression going to be? If it were me I'd forgo the EFI and have the heads milled .030, have some more port work done, Top it with a SD or RPM intake and a nice 750HP carb. Out yeah and at least use the 3.55's. [IMG]http://i66.tinypic.com/pui5j.jpg[/IMG] Coming soon!!!!

Re: 440 Cam [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1162445 01/22/12 01:06 PM 01/22/12 01:06 PM
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 463 Detroit Michigan stinger mopar
stinger mopar Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 463 Detroit Michigan	I have the Lunati 303 in almost the exact set up,nice idle and sounds like a real healthy stocker.I have'nt driven the car though. sounds good with the magnaflow 2.5" exhaust.

Re: 440 Cam [Re: CurYellowBird] #1162446 01/22/12 01:52 PM 01/22/12 01:52 PM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 348 texas M magnum440 enthusiast
magnum440 enthusiast M Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 348 texas	you might also consider one of bob k's cams..they are made to run well with manifolds..you can call/email him and he will answer any questions.. http://sixpacksixbbl.homestead.com

Re: 440 Cam [Re: magnum440] #1162447 01/22/12 06:30 PM 01/22/12 06:30 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	MP's oldie but goodie .528 mecanical if you want something mild you can drive anywhere. The .557 grind if you want lope and have a deeper gear. I've run the .528 in a '71 'Cuda on the street with 3.23 gears and it was a torque monster in a relatively mild build.

Re: 440 Cam [Re: CurYellowBird] #1162448 01/22/12 06:57 PM 01/22/12 06:57 PM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 738 New York R/T1968R/T super stock
R/T1968R/T super stock Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 738 New York	I ran your exact setup. I used the comp XE275HL .525..231-237.... Ran great.As per Andy F article keep duration under 245 with manifolds.If you want mechanical its hard to beat the .528 purple shaft.

Re: 440 Cam [Re: R/T1968R/T] #1162449 01/22/12 07:16 PM 01/22/12 07:16 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,976 Chilliwack B.C. Canada R RUNCHARGER I Live Here
RUNCHARGER I Live Here R Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,976 Chilliwack B.C. Canada	I'll third the 528 solid choice. I had a similiar engine setup in my 71 R.R. with 3.23 and a 4 speed, exhaust manifolds too. That 528 is a great cam for that setup. Sheldon

Re: 440 Cam [Re: RUNCHARGER] #1162450 01/22/12 07:51 PM 01/22/12 07:51 PM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,824 Arlington, Texas B bobby66 master
bobby66 master B Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,824 Arlington, Texas	Racer Brown SSH-38C would work fine. Call Jim and tell him what you want to do. He'll fix you up.

Re: 440 Cam [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1162451 01/22/12 09:27 PM 01/22/12 09:27 PM
Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 583 San Antonio, TX CurYellowBird OP mopar
CurYellowBird OP mopar Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 583 San Antonio, TX	Without milling the heads, the six pack L2355 pistons put my compression at 10.3-10.6 range with the .020 steel head gasket. Going to go with the felpro .040 to continue to safely run on pump gas. Too late Mr.Yuck, already have the EZ-EFI system sitting in front of me. I can do most the port work myself. This car is going to see a lot of cruising, let it be here in Texas, or going cross country to Maine and cruising the coast along the gulf. The EFI Kit just made sense, love working on carburetors but this system really grabbed my attention. Isn't that .528 mechanical a little on the large side? 241/241 duration at .050 is kinda stout I would think. Project War Bird: 1971 Plymouth Roadrunner 383 4 speed with air conditioning GY3 Curious yellow All original

Re: 440 Cam [Re: CurYellowBird] #1162452 01/22/12 09:34 PM 01/22/12 09:34 PM
Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 207 People's Republic of Mass. B Belvedere2 enthusiast
Belvedere2 enthusiast B Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 207 People's Republic of Mass.	I wouldn't think that 241 dur. would be bad at all. I run a 238 dur in my 340 and it runs fine. Can't wait too see what the 270@.50 is like in my new 380.

Re: 440 Cam [Re: Belvedere2] #1162453 01/22/12 09:47 PM 01/22/12 09:47 PM
Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 583 San Antonio, TX CurYellowBird OP mopar
CurYellowBird OP mopar Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 583 San Antonio, TX	Can you run stock rockers with that .528 mechanical? Project War Bird: 1971 Plymouth Roadrunner 383 4 speed with air conditioning GY3 Curious yellow All original

Re: 440 Cam [Re: CurYellowBird] #1162454 01/22/12 09:50 PM 01/22/12 09:50 PM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 738 New York R/T1968R/T super stock
R/T1968R/T super stock Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 738 New York	Its mechanical, you need adjustables

Re: 440 Cam [Re: R/T1968R/T] #1162455 01/22/12 10:14 PM 01/22/12 10:14 PM
Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 583 San Antonio, TX CurYellowBird OP mopar
CurYellowBird OP mopar Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 583 San Antonio, TX	Guess I'll be sticking with hydraulic. Project War Bird: 1971 Plymouth Roadrunner 383 4 speed with air conditioning GY3 Curious yellow All original

Re: 440 Cam [Re: CurYellowBird] #1162456 01/23/12 01:09 PM 01/23/12 01:09 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet
Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md	Quote: Without milling the heads, the six pack L2355 pistons put my compression at 10.3-10.6 range with the .020 steel head gasket. Going to go with the felpro .040 to continue to safely run on pump gas. Too late Mr.Yuck, already have the EZ-EFI system sitting in front of me. I can do most the port work myself. This car is going to see a lot of cruising, let it be here in Texas, or going cross country to Maine and cruising the coast along the gulf. The EFI Kit just made sense, love working on carburetors but this system really grabbed my attention. Isn't that .528 mechanical a little on the large side? 241/241 duration at .050 is kinda stout I would think. the smaller voodoo will work fine. The 528 solid is pretty tame. When you adhust the lash you're at 500-508 lift.

Re: 440 Cam [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1162457 01/23/12 07:35 PM 01/23/12 07:35 PM
Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 583 San Antonio, TX CurYellowBird OP mopar
CurYellowBird OP mopar Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 583 San Antonio, TX	Just called Comp Cams and Lunati. Comp cams recommended their XE275HL and Lunati recommended their voodoo 60304. Project War Bird: 1971 Plymouth Roadrunner 383 4 speed with air conditioning GY3 Curious yellow All original

Re: 440 Cam [Re: CurYellowBird] #1162458 01/23/12 09:48 PM 01/23/12 09:48 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,324 Prospect, PA BSB67 master
BSB67 master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,324 Prospect, PA	Quote: Just called Comp Cams and Lunati. Comp cams recommended their XE275HL and Lunati recommended their voodoo 60304. I suggest that you call someone familiar with specing a cam for use with exhaust manifolds. You will otherwise be leaving easy hp on the table.

Re: 440 Cam [Re: BSB67] #1162459 01/23/12 10:01 PM 01/23/12 10:01 PM
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,090 st.cloud fl D d-150 Smarter than a 5th grader?
d-150 Smarter than a 5th grader? D Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,090 st.cloud fl	i have the 03 cam my buddy has the 04. my 440 is a little better for street cruising then the 04. look at the cam specs 03 starts at 1800 while the 04 is 2500rpm.the top of those cams are 03,6200 and 04 6500. the o3 has a broader range for street

Re: 440 Cam [Re: d-150] #1162460 01/23/12 11:26 PM 01/23/12 11:26 PM
Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 583 San Antonio, TX CurYellowBird OP mopar
CurYellowBird OP mopar Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 583 San Antonio, TX	Yeah I agree with the both of you. When I looked at the rpm range on both the ones recommended, they are definately higher than what I want to be using on the street. The only thing that has looked good are cams with a 224-228 duration at .050 with an exhaust duration of like 240-245 to help compensate with the manifolds. Specifically Hughes whiplash cam but that is designed for low compression stock engines. Project War Bird: 1971 Plymouth Roadrunner 383 4 speed with air conditioning GY3 Curious yellow All original

Re: 440 Cam [Re: CurYellowBird] #1162461 01/24/12 01:11 AM 01/24/12 01:11 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,133 A Banana Republic near you. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,133 A Banana Republic near you.	Quote: Without milling the heads, the six pack L2355 pistons put my compression at 10.3-10.6 range with the .020 steel head gasket. Going to go with the felpro .040 to continue to safely run on pump gas. What are you using for a compression calculator ? I get 9.67 with real world specs since you info is vague in the original post. , first you estimate the 452's at 86-88 and say in this post you will not mill , them , try more like 90-92 actual CC . Are you going to deck the block and what rods are you using , those piston on a stock rod are .020 in the hole of a blueprint deck , which is usually shorter than actual deck according to some . the nthey is your head gasket , .021 is the thinnest steel shim ... not that .001 amounts to much. , how much did you add for the volume of the VALVE RELIEFS in those pistons ??? You should actually measure stuff instead of guessing. And I agree , talk to someone about a cam for your ACTUAL combo ... you need to CC your

Re: 440 Cam [Re: JohnRR] #1162462 01/24/12 02:03 AM 01/24/12 02:03 AM
Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 583 San Antonio, TX CurYellowBird OP mopar
CurYellowBird OP mopar Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 583 San Antonio, TX	https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=7022173&Main=7022049 That's the post I started a week ago where quite a few people commented on. Almost everyone was telling me that I'm going to be at 10 to 10.5 CR. The heads are from Indy and they said they milled them to 86-88 cc spec. The pistons are the L2355 replacement pistons with a CH of 2.06. The block is going to be decked for clean up but not zero deck since I want to run on pump gas. Honestly, I don't see what was vague in my original post, other than not listing the compression, figured listing the heads and pistons would be enough. Last edited by CurYellowBird; 01/24/12 02:09 AM. Project War Bird: 1971 Plymouth Roadrunner 383 4 speed with air conditioning GY3 Curious yellow All original

Re: 440 Cam [Re: CurYellowBird] #1162463 01/24/12 02:08 AM 01/24/12 02:08 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,133 A Banana Republic near you. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,133 A Banana Republic near you.	Quote: https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=7022173&Main=7022049 That's the post I started a week ago where quite a few people commented on. Almost everyone was telling me that I'm going to be at 10 to 10.5 CR. The heads are from Indy and they said they milled them to 86-88 cc spec. The pistons are the L2355 replacement pistons with a CH of 2.06. The block is going to be decked for clean up but not zero deck since I want to run on pump gas. The internet is full of people pulling numbers out of their backside. IF 86 cc you will have 10.01ish , 88 cc LESS. You need to have the block decked to know where your pistons are, CC the heads THEN you can safely determine your compression ratio

Re: 440 Cam [Re: JohnRR] #1162464 01/24/12 02:13 AM 01/24/12 02:13 AM
Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 583 San Antonio, TX CurYellowBird OP mopar
CurYellowBird OP mopar Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 583 San Antonio, TX	I'll check tomorrow when I go to the machine shop. That being the case, that's a lot of people pulling numbers out their backside. Having 88 cc compared to 86cc is only slightly less in compression. Last edited by CurYellowBird; 01/24/12 02:15 AM. Project War Bird: 1971 Plymouth Roadrunner 383 4 speed with air conditioning GY3 Curious yellow All original

Re: 440 Cam [Re: CurYellowBird] #1162465 01/24/12 02:27 AM 01/24/12 02:27 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,133 A Banana Republic near you. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,133 A Banana Republic near you.	Quote: I'll check tomorrow when I go to the machine shop. That being the case, that's a lot of people pulling numbers out their backside. Having 88 cc compared to 86cc is only slightly less in compression. I don't see a lot of people pulling numbers out of their backside in that thread. EXACTLY one person quoted "10.6 give or take .1" and that was after you said you were going to use a head with a 78cc chamber .

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