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Re: 440 Factory HP/Torque Numbers Accurate? [Re: 72N96RR] #1157742
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RRJD, My 915 post was stated that way because there were 915 heads that came with a smaller exhaust valve than the HP 915 heads and all later bigblock Mopar heads. You could look it up.
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Re: 440 Factory HP/Torque Numbers Accurate? [Re: 72N96RR] #1157743
01/20/12 01:50 PM
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the 383 was very close to the true 335hp rating, but i think the 375 for the 440 was a bit high.




If true it sure didnt transfer to the ground very well...
If I had 10 383 motors sitting in a pile I would trade every one for ONE 440..




I kinda chuckle when the 383 vs. 440 comparison is made; I mean for the most part a 383 is a small 440 or a 440 is a big 383; they really are basically the same motor! Same design, same cams, same heads, same manifolds, etc. etc. etc. There is a reason that one is a "B" series and the other is a "Raised B series".

going by the factory ratings, the 383 makes .875 hp/cu in and the 440 makes .85 hp/cu in.......makes sense to me seeing as how the 906's limited flow undoubtably works better with a 383's smaller displacement (same with the exh. manifolds), but it isn't a huge difference IMO. and as far as the bore/stroke relationship; that is largely an urban myth.

The 383 has a small advantage due to the head flow issue I mentioned and that accounts for the slight diffence in ratings per cu in.....could the ratings be off? sure.....but not alot IMO.

If you were to pull 10 383's and 10 440's from survivor cars and put them on two different dyno's, you'd get 40 different numbers!


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Re: 440 Factory HP/Torque Numbers Accurate? [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #1157744
01/20/12 08:25 PM
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The 67 blocks had a lot more deck height so the compression was about the same as 68 and up HP motors with the 906 heads.




No they didn't. The 67 440's had a lower compression height piston, that is how they had the same CR as the 68-71's.




I knew it was something like that needed to make up for the small combustion chambers. Weren't they flat tops pistons? I had a 67 block where the pistons were .100+ in the hole! I just assumed they had more deck height rather than making it up with the piston. Did they just have pistons with a higher wrist pin or were the pistons dished out?

Re: 440 Factory HP/Torque Numbers Accurate? [Re: RoadRunnerJD] #1157745
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67 piston CH is about 2.000". Typically .080" or so in the hole. Perfectly flat.

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Re: 440 Factory HP/Torque Numbers Accurate? [Re: BSB67] #1157746
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this is a question. haven driven different cars do you think the closed chamber heads including 383 413 426 440 cars have a little more go, esp. lowend than the open chamber head models?

Re: 440 Factory HP/Torque Numbers Accurate? [Re: d-150] #1157747
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I have indeed driven and been in a lot of hp cars, and spent a lot of time with them at the track as well. This is what I can say with confidence, my butt meter is worthless. How the performance feels, and reality can be very different, in either direction.

Re: 440 Factory HP/Torque Numbers Accurate? [Re: BSB67] #1157748
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it just seemed to me the 383 closedchamber head motors pulled a little better stock. now thats with your basic bolt ons alu intake 750 carb/ headers.i cant say much for the 440 a havent put my 915 head 440 in my truck yet but its a basic stock rebuild.trw 2266 pistons small summit cam.

Re: 440 Factory HP/Torque Numbers Accurate? [Re: d-150] #1157749
01/21/12 02:14 PM
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IMO, there is no performance difference between the 906 and 915 heads given equal compression and valve size. The 906 heads untouched may even flow better than the 915's. The 915's on a 68 and up motor are just an easy way to get you more compression...8 and more chance if pre-ignition with pump gas. Now if you put the 906 heads on a 67 motor, it will be a low compression slug! The 906 heads are good flowing heads and can be made to flow even better with a little massaging. High compression on anything but full race is not all that great.

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