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Hydraulic throwout bearing kits #1150317
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I considering using a hydraulic throwout bearing kit in a 4sp conversion project later this year. It's going into a 74 Charger with a 440. I would like to hear about kits that work well as well as kits to avoid.
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Re: Hydraulic throwout bearing kits [Re: 74RALLYE] #1150318
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I just did that myself & looked at all of them then i found Chuck's Classic Cars in loudon Tn he sell a kit that worked very well on my 66 plymouth satellite & it was cheaper that all the other i found.


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Re: Hydraulic throwout bearing kits [Re: 67coronetman] #1150319
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I am currently involved in this same issue. There are 2 approaches; 1. a true HYD throwout bearing system. You 2 basic choices are Keisler and Mclod. I think the Mclod is a better system, however neither are cheap. 2. a HYD clutch system in which you run a HYD MC connected to a slave cylinder that pushes or pulls the throwout bearing arm (you use a conventional throwout bearing).

I personally like option #2 better as it allows you to make all of yoru adjustments without taking the trans out. Option 1 requires you to space the HYD TB between the trans case and the pressure plate. The kits are supposed to give you all of the hardware you will require, however from what I have seen, there is still some "adjustment" or fine tuning required. The problem with option #2 is that there isnt a lot of room down near TB arm factoring the starter and exhaust. I sourced all of my own parts from places like speedway and am making my own brackets. The company that was mentioned here does carry a kit that uses a slave cylinder to activate the TB arm. I am not sure how thiers attaches to the engine or trans or exactly where (would love to see a picture of this setup).

With regards to the slave cylinder, there are 2 options; a puller and a pusher. Most setups of this nature use the pusher, however I have seen one kit for a Mopar that uses a pusher, although once again I have no idea of how they make it work.

I am waiting on my headers (TTI) to see what space I actually have to work with, then I will figure out how to make it work. Again, with option #2, you dont have to pull the trans and can continue to work on it once the car is assembled.


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Re: Hydraulic throwout bearing kits [Re: 70chall440] #1150320
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I am telling you guy just look at chuck's Classic Cars call him his kit is very well done and i have TTI headers on my 66 satellite with a 440


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Re: Hydraulic throwout bearing kits [Re: 67coronetman] #1150321
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got picture of it installed? I am not doubting you or the kit, I would just like to see it installed.


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Re: Hydraulic throwout bearing kits [Re: 74RALLYE] #1150322
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Re: Hydraulic throwout bearing kits [Re: 70chall440] #1150323
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i went with hyd t/o bearing cause my clutch fork hit the TTI headers.

Re: Hydraulic throwout bearing kits [Re: sshemi] #1150324
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i went with hyd t/o bearing cause my clutch fork hit the TTI headers.




what brand/whose kit did you use?


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Re: Hydraulic throwout bearing kits [Re: sshemi] #1150325
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heres how i did the master cyl.
Wilwood 3/4" bore ~1,4" stroke.

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rue#Post6919352

Re: Hydraulic throwout bearing kits [Re: sshemi] #1150326
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this is the tilton t/o bearing.
It is actually made for chivvy so i had to enlargen the id of the four legs (useing the 4,8" bearing retainer)
Then drilled four holes in the bell and shim out the bearing to where it needs to be.
I should also mention that i use a lakewood bellhousing so i dont know if this would work with a stock bell.

There are t/o bearings out there that fit but i liked the idea of the bearing being bolted to the bell.

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Re: Hydraulic throwout bearing kits [Re: sshemi] #1150327
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Quote:

heres how i did the master cyl.
Wilwood 3/4" bore ~1,4" stroke.

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rue#Post6919352




Very nice work and very similar to what I did, difference is that I built a bracket that bolts to the frame to hold the MC. I also used a stock clutch rod, cut it off and welding on a end that was threaded to attach to MC. I am confident that this is all good, however I now am moving onto the TB and how to activate that. What TB (PN) did you use? Did you buy a kit or make it yourself? I am concerned with getting the adjustment correct (space between the TB and PP).


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Re: Hydraulic throwout bearing kits [Re: 70chall440] #1150328
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looks good.


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Re: Hydraulic throwout bearing kits [Re: 70chall440] #1150329
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the t/o bearing have 0,7" of stroke and the clutch only need about 0,5" so it doesnt need to be perfect. Shim it to about 0,01-0,02" clearence.
The enalrgening of the id is not neccesary cause i neede to shim it so much the bearing is of the bearing retainer.
I just did it to make marking and drilling the holes in the bell very easy (same id as bell)

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So what the cost of it .!


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Re: Hydraulic throwout bearing kits [Re: 67coronetman] #1150331
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Got this idea from goldduster318. He used some parts to setup a hydraulic clutch with an external slave cylinder that actuates your stock clutch fork. Much cheaper this way and no hydraulic throw out bearing to worry about leaking.

Anyways, for parts...it uses a wilwood 3/4" bore master cylinder with integrated resivaur (WIL-260-1304 from summit), a wilwood pull style slave cylinder WIL-260-1333. You'll also need to order another 5/16-24 spherical rod end to use with the master cylinder. Make your own bracket to mount the slave cylinder and run some brake line to connect the two together.

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Its a good thing that NOBODY POSTED ANY PRICES, because that might make sense. Crazy me... actually wanting an idea of a price on something.

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Quote:

Got this idea from goldduster318. He used some parts to setup a hydraulic clutch with an external slave cylinder that actuates your stock clutch fork. Much cheaper this way and no hydraulic throw out bearing to worry about leaking.

Anyways, for parts...it uses a wilwood 3/4" bore master cylinder with integrated resivaur (WIL-260-1304 from summit), a wilwood pull style slave cylinder WIL-260-1333. You'll also need to order another 5/16-24 spherical rod end to use with the master cylinder. Make your own bracket to mount the slave cylinder and run some brake line to connect the two together.




do you have a picture? Id like to see how the slave cylinder is mounted.


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Re: Hydraulic throwout bearing kits [Re: Kern Dog] #1150334
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Its a good thing that NOBODY POSTED ANY PRICES, because that might make sense. Crazy me... actually wanting an idea of a price on something.




The prices depend on where you get your parts, however the MC is wilwood unit (7/8" bore) and costs about $67.00 (http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Wilwood-Combination-Remote-Master-Cylinder-Kit,1133.html) and the slave cylinder is another $57. Then you need a rod ($13 although you could make your own), then you need fittings (I use -3 AN, approximately $15), then some -3 PTFE SS line (3' should get it done, $15). You will need to make the brackets. So in total, this way would cost about $167 plus your labor and some raw material (steel) as well as a way to cut and a welder.


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Re: Hydraulic throwout bearing kits [Re: Kern Dog] #1150335
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Its a good thing that NOBODY POSTED ANY PRICES, because that might make sense. Crazy me... actually wanting an idea of a price on something.




go to summit and punch in the part #'s I quoted.

Re: Hydraulic throwout bearing kits [Re: 70chall440] #1150336
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Got this idea from goldduster318. He used some parts to setup a hydraulic clutch with an external slave cylinder that actuates your stock clutch fork. Much cheaper this way and no hydraulic throw out bearing to worry about leaking.

Anyways, for parts...it uses a wilwood 3/4" bore master cylinder with integrated resivaur (WIL-260-1304 from summit), a wilwood pull style slave cylinder WIL-260-1333. You'll also need to order another 5/16-24 spherical rod end to use with the master cylinder. Make your own bracket to mount the slave cylinder and run some brake line to connect the two together.




do you have a picture? Id like to see how the slave cylinder is mounted.




Not a very good picture but he made a bracket to attach the slave cylinder to the transmission side cover if memory serves. I remember he said he was going to make a different bracket because this design made the side cover leak. I bought the same parts he used but haven't put it together yet. I don't think it would be a big deal fabbing a bracket out of steel that mounts to the bell housing bolts.

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