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Re: Soft Brake Pedal after bleeding 3 times????? [Re: HelleOnWheels] #1117228
11/20/11 09:25 PM
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No sir,

Ignorant would have been to keep going the way you were never asking for any assistance and assuming you knew it all.

Have you gotten a chance to adjust and re bleed them yet?

Re: Soft Brake Pedal after bleeding 3 times????? [Re: WILD BILL] #1117229
11/20/11 10:02 PM
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No sir,

Ignorant would have been to keep going the way you were never asking for any assistance and assuming you knew it all.

Have you gotten a chance to adjust and re bleed them yet?





Not yet....We are in the market for a new home and were out shopping most of the day.

I am planning on doing them tomorrow night after work with my dad....a little father/son brake job bonding

Re: Soft Brake Pedal after bleeding 3 times????? [Re: HelleOnWheels] #1117230
11/20/11 10:09 PM
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Re: Soft Brake Pedal after bleeding 3 times????? [Re: WILD BILL] #1117231
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Re: Soft Brake Pedal after bleeding 3 times????? [Re: WILD BILL] #1117232
11/21/11 08:40 PM
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The ONLY ignorant or dumb question is the one you don't ask

Re: Soft Brake Pedal after bleeding 3 times????? [Re: Moparmick] #1117233
11/21/11 11:21 PM
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I know the way you are describing to bleed the brakes and it will work as you stated if you do one more step. The cup with your brake fluid must be held above the the bleeder screw itself. If I am understanding your procedure properly you are attatching a hose to the bulb of the bleeder, opening bleeder, pumping brake pedal to force air out and suck fluid back in. Then close bleeder. Like stated, your results will be better if cup with fluid is above, not below bleeder. I do prefer to use the traditional method of pumping three times, holding, cracking bleeder, closing, release pedal. Repeat till no air seen. Another vote here to put plugs in M/C and pump slowly till you should feel the pedal get very firm. And very good advice to not push the pedal all the way to the floor when bleeding as it can damage the seals in the M/C. If you need to isolate the wheel affected you can clamp off the rubber hose at the rear splitter and see if the pressure gets better, indicating air in rear. Same applies to each of the front hoses. And other good info regarding brake shoe adjustments.

Re: Soft Brake Pedal after bleeding 3 times????? [Re: wheelsup68dart] #1117234
11/22/11 11:14 PM
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Re: Soft Brake Pedal after bleeding 3 times????? [Re: WILD BILL] #1117235
11/23/11 01:30 AM
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Alright...so here is the deal....I bled the brakes the way it has been described in this thread and thinks went a little smoother.

The only problem is.......I have NO IDEA what the brake pedal should feel like on a 4 wheel manual drum brake car.

I am used to driving power disc brake setups and understand that there is a difference in feel, but I am not sure how it should feel.


Seems like it got softer after moving from the rear to the front....

Tips??

Re: Soft Brake Pedal after bleeding 3 times????? [Re: HelleOnWheels] #1117236
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How many times go you go back around each wheel?

Sometimes it takes going from RR, LR, RF, , LF and then checking the adjustment on all 4 and doing it again.

Sometimes I will adjust the drums really tight to bleed and then back them off to the proper adjustment afterwards.

As for how it should feel, I haven't done a 4 wheel drum system in many years so I couldn't help without being there and or driving it.

Sorry.

Re: Soft Brake Pedal after bleeding 3 times????? [Re: HelleOnWheels] #1117237
11/23/11 01:48 AM
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Seems like it got softer after moving from the rear to the front....

Tips??


spoon all 4 corners tight till the drums are locked. This is imp as it shifts all parts into place/takes out slack. (re) bleed all 4 longest to shortest till the pedal is high and tight. Up on jack stands loosen each front drum till as you hand turn the wheel forward you hit the spot where it turns free and there is one point in the circumference where you hear (but dont feel it slowing the wheel down) a slight "tick" during the revolution of the wheel (when you get close you can go back & forth to get it spot on). Do the fronts then start on the rears with heavy duty jack stands under the axle on each side and your heavy duty hyd floor jack under and just barely touching the 3rd member in the middle of the rear axle for addt'l safety then a helper in dr seat eng idling in drive and rear wheels off the ground. You loosen the star till the wheel starts to turn (loosen both if sure grip) then he hits the brake to stop the wheel(s) you adj loosen more & back & forth safety first until you on each side hit the same sweet spot as the fronts where you hear the "tick". Then Google brake break in procedure and take it out to a secluded hiway & burnish them in then recheck/restore the prior "tick" adjustment


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Re: Soft Brake Pedal after bleeding 3 times????? [Re: RapidRobert] #1117238
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Spent alot more time adjusting each wheel and making sure they were closely matched to each other. Went around and bled the wheels again and it is much better.

Took it out for the first time in 12 years and things went great

The only thing I noticed was that I have no dash lights

Now on to the next issue....at least this one wont keep me from driving it!!!!

Picked up my passes to the Turkey Rod Run on my test drive and things are looking great for my weekend!!!!!

Re: Soft Brake Pedal after bleeding 3 times????? [Re: HelleOnWheels] #1117239
11/24/11 01:26 AM
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Took it out for the first time in 12 years and things went great







That's what I like to hear

Have a happy Thanksgiving

Re: Soft Brake Pedal after bleeding 3 times????? [Re: WILD BILL] #1117240
11/24/11 09:38 AM
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Took it out for the first time in 12 years and things went great







That's what I like to hear

Have a happy Thanksgiving






Thanks Bill!!

Hope you have a Happy Thanksgiving as well!!!!

Re: Soft Brake Pedal after bleeding 3 times????? [Re: HelleOnWheels] #1117241
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Glad you got it worked out!

manual brakes should DEFINITELY have a firm brake pedal. but, how firm depends on what size master vs what size wheel cylinders. you can "soften" the brake pedal by going to a smaller master or larger wheel cylinders, and doing so will also increase your brake effort without increasing pedal feel/leg input.

go drive that car!


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Re: Soft Brake Pedal after bleeding 3 times????? [Re: 70Cuda383] #1117242
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go drive that car!




You don't have to tell me twice!!!!!

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