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Re: mopars and X275 [Re: sdaurity] #1095112
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My opinon which is crap anyway.
a w8-w9 motor could be a front runner no problem.
a nitrous motor will run good
so would a big inch procharged
and turbo needs to be under 360ci imo

The biggest thing to making it work is trying rather than just wondering if it would work.

Re: mopars and X275 [Re: cold85] #1095113
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I agree those texas rules a messed up

Re: mopars and X275 [Re: cold85] #1095114
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Wouldn't want to try to run a nitrous combo in those texas rules.
Hey cold 85 nice wheelie!! hope she is ok..

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Re: mopars and X275 [Re: W8n2DustU] #1095115
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Can a Mopar be built to run up front? If so, what combo would it take? I know alot of money.


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Re: mopars and X275 [Re: sdaurity] #1095116
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Most if not all X275 are 1/8th mile. The nitrous cars can keep up with the turbo cars if not do better.

In fact I get a daily report from the last 2 weeks of X275 racing from my co-worker that keeps up with that class and he's telling me that Nitrous is taking the wins and the Records.

4.7's in the 1/8th best I have heard him mention so far the last 2 weeks.

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x275 record was reset this weekend 4.785 by kevin neal like i mentioned earlier.

i think if anyone wants to even begin to guess what it takes to run this class, they should come to the race in february at sgmp so you can see it for yourself

my car makes a whole bunch of power, and i look at these guys who also make a TON of power and they really have to lean on those bad a$$ rides to run those numbers. its not the same as watching big tire bracket cars run those same numbers!



hey, heads up, congrats on getting that blue camaro figured out. i watched that car make great strides this weekend

Re: mopars and X275 [Re: cold85] #1095118
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Can a Mopar be built to run up front? If so, what combo would it take? I know alot of money.


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Re: mopars and X275 [Re: joshking440] #1095119
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x275 record was reset this weekend 4.785 by kevin neal like i mentioned earlier.

i think if anyone wants to even begin to guess what it takes to run this class, they should come to the race in february at sgmp so you can see it for yourself

my car makes a whole bunch of power, and i look at these guys who also make a TON of power and they really have to lean on those bad a$$ rides to run those numbers. its not the same as watching big tire bracket cars run those same numbers!



hey, heads up, congrats on getting that blue camaro figured out. i watched that car make great strides this weekend







UHHH I'm starting to hate that car as much as mine. We had a bad miss/popping problem and thought we had it fixed and got there thursday and still had it. So we checked everything and threw a ton of parts on it and one of them fixed it. The biggest thing we are trying to do is get the car to repeat now. We went the 5.00 with a very soft tune-up and got in the top 32 race in the heat sat, and pulled to the starting line twice with the same tune-up on Sat nite just 1 click tighter on front shocks on a track that was leaps and bounds better and smoke the tires in .04. Sunday same tune-up as when we went 5.00, same car set-up, track temp within 5 deg. and air 200 ft difference and smoke the tires. It just makes you wanna pull your hair out. But its all good, we will figure it out.


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Re: mopars and X275 [Re: DakFink] #1095120
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Most if not all X275 are 1/8th mile. The nitrous cars can keep up with the turbo cars if not do better.

In fact I get a daily report from the last 2 weeks of X275 racing from my co-worker that keeps up with that class and he's telling me that Nitrous is taking the wins and the Records.

4.7's in the 1/8th best I have heard him mention so far the last 2 weeks.




Yea in X275 the nitrous combo is the one to beat, but as I stated before in the TEXAS RULES 275 I WOULDN'T WANT TO TRY TO RUN NITROUS!


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Re: mopars and X275 [Re: 1967dartgt] #1095121
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Honestly I do not think the rules are good for a nitrous bb mopar. I may be wrong but a nice conventional chevy compared to b-1's is hard to beat with b1's.
Second a nitrous motor sb will be hard if it is sitting in a mopar body due to weight and how light the car can get. I will wait to see what steven can come up with in his new ride to see what weight he can get it too with the sb.

Blower and turbo seems to be the easier choice for mopars due to how much weight penalty they carry.
I have said it before and will again a blower or turbo motor can make as much as any other brand in the right hands. I would have a mopar motor if I had not already had the ford from the start. I have bought a block that is mopar for next year but not sure if i will have the time to get it done before feb.

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Honestly I do not think the rules are good for a nitrous bb mopar. I may be wrong but a nice conventional chevy compared to b-1's is hard to beat with b1's.
Second a nitrous motor sb will be hard if it is sitting in a mopar body due to weight and how light the car can get. I will wait to see what steven can come up with in his new ride to see what weight he can get it too with the sb.

Blower and turbo seems to be the easier choice for mopars due to how much weight penalty they carry.
I have said it before and will again a blower or turbo motor can make as much as any other brand in the right hands. I would have a mopar motor if I had not already had the ford from the start. I have bought a block that is mopar for next year but not sure if i will have the time to get it done before feb.




Which heads are you thinking about putting on Mopar block thats sitting. Your right, putting together a new combo before next feb is running a tight schedule then also getting it done so you can test. Thats a tough decision to make right there due to the tight schedule. Good luck with it!


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Re: mopars and X275 [Re: cold85] #1095123
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Honestly I do not think the rules are good for a nitrous bb mopar. I may be wrong but a nice conventional chevy compared to b-1's is hard to beat with b1's.
Second a nitrous motor sb will be hard if it is sitting in a mopar body due to weight and how light the car can get. I will wait to see what steven can come up with in his new ride to see what weight he can get it too with the sb.

Blower and turbo seems to be the easier choice for mopars due to how much weight penalty they carry.
I have said it before and will again a blower or turbo motor can make as much as any other brand in the right hands. I would have a mopar motor if I had not already had the ford from the start. I have bought a block that is mopar for next year but not sure if i will have the time to get it done before feb.






I agree on the BB chrysler not having a chance against a new set of headhunters. I think I can get my new car light enough with the nitrous small block, unless it goes down to something crazy like 2800 lbs which I dont see happening. It can be done with the turbo/supercharger just would be a ton of money to do. I actually was comparing numbers and Bills w-9 motor only back halfed 5 numbers slower than tommys 15 deg (big) small chevy with the same jets but bills dart is 300 more lbs and doesn't have anything fancy and on 28's.(it still has a 7al-3 and 2nd kit on a button)lol. Long as I can get the car right the engine is making enough power to be competitive, it won't be a class killer but will run good.


One day I will have something cool here.
Re: mopars and X275 [Re: sdaurity] #1095124
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I think they may give the sb nitrous a 50-100lb break and take off 50 for ladder bars. IMO I have not heard anything this is just my opinion. And if they do that how much weight do you think you could have to play with steven?

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I think they may give the sb nitrous a 50-100lb break and take off 50 for ladder bars. IMO I have not heard anything this is just my opinion. And if they do that how much weight do you think you could have to play with steven?





I'm really not 100%. The only thing I really have to go by is my old nitrous set-up, and I asked the guy with the blue duster running 5.70 this past weekend was 2850 with driver but he was 10 point cage, w-9 engine, 904, glass hood and doors, tubular front end, nice wheels brakes etc. My old car with homemade front steer set-up, all steel exept hood, bumpers factory glass. BB lowdeck, 727, 9" iron center, 12 point mild cage, 1 10 lb bottle, 3 gallon cell, all the weight out with me in it (im 240) was 3090lbs. Like my car is currently with turbo,intercooler,ice tank, water tank and all is 3275. My new car is going to have glass hood, bumpers, doors, decklid, lexan winsheild, alum center section, a ton more bars but will be moly. I think I can do it, and I do agree the only weight that will be ajusted will be nitrous sb with the turbo,blower,n2oBB being so close and a few numbers faster.


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Chad, what does your Dart weigh? I think with a maximum lightening effort a 67-69 Dart can get pretty light with a all aluminum nitrous engine. I still would like to attempt a GenIII Hemi with a turbo in a new Challenger. The Hemi is light, can make good power I just worry about 4 heads bolts. I may just say f'it and screw one together.


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Chad, what does your Dart weigh? I think with a maximum lightening effort a 67-69 Dart can get pretty light with a all aluminum nitrous engine. I still would like to attempt a GenIII Hemi with a turbo in a new Challenger. The Hemi is light, can make good power I just worry about 4 heads bolts. I may just say f'it and screw one together.



well the biggest thing is sealing up the heads so it may be taking a chance but only one way to know. I do not know how much my car would weigh without any lead in it. I have always had to add so much I have never even counted all the lead bricks and some of them are different. I just scale it and move the 10 bricks of the same weight around to get what I want.

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I will admit I don't know the 275 & X275 rules but if they allow a round tube backhalf car that's the only way I see getting even an A-Body light enough. The Dart Donald & I run has stock frame rails front to rear, basic 6 points of cage are mild steel balance is moly, ladder bars, Bob's Pro Fab front end, 5 gal fuel cell, one 16V battery, 1 10# n2o bottle, 2 Kirkey sets, Spaghetti Menders wiring, fiberglass hood, bumpers, doors & deck lid, lexan side windows, quarter glass & rear window, R3/W8 w/ Liberty 5 speed. It weighed right at 3000# with Donald race ready.

We may go to fiberglass front fenders and a lexan windshield while rebuilding from the fire but I don't where can find anymore weight to remove.

Not saying it couldn't be done but someone would have to spend a major amount of money for very little return. In my younger days If I would have had the resources I do now I probably would try to built a competitive car but the older I get I just don't see spending the $.

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Chad, what does your Dart weigh? I think with a maximum lightening effort a 67-69 Dart can get pretty light with a all aluminum nitrous engine. I still would like to attempt a GenIII Hemi with a turbo in a new Challenger. The Hemi is light, can make good power I just worry about 4 heads bolts. I may just say f'it and screw one together.



well the biggest thing is sealing up the heads so it may be taking a chance but only one way to know. I do not know how much my car would weigh without any lead in it. I have always had to add so much I have never even counted all the lead bricks and some of them are different. I just scale it and move the 10 bricks of the same weight around to get what I want.




Hehe, yeah I guess with the turbo you'd have to add a boatload unless you were a fata$$ like me


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I will admit I don't know the 275 & X275 rules but if they allow a round tube backhalf car that's the only way I see getting even an A-Body light enough. The Dart Donald & I run has stock frame rails front to rear, basic 6 points of cage are mild steel balance is moly, ladder bars, Bob's Pro Fab front end, 5 gal fuel cell, one 16V battery, 1 10# n2o bottle, 2 Kirkey sets, Spaghetti Menders wiring, fiberglass hood, bumpers, doors & deck lid, lexan side windows, quarter glass & rear window, R3/W8 w/ Liberty 5 speed. It weighed right at 3000# with Donald race ready.

We may go to fiberglass front fenders and a lexan windshield while rebuilding from the fire but I don't where can find anymore weight to remove.

Not saying it couldn't be done but someone would have to spend a major amount of money for very little return. In my younger days If I would have had the resources I do now I probably would try to built a competitive car but the older I get I just don't see spending the $.

Mike Gray




Heya Mike, Donalds car would fit right in. I think SB nos without canted valve heads needs to be 2950#.

I hear ya on blowing the money as you get older. This is why I've been tap dancing around actually putting something together the last couple of years. It's easy to just fart around with the GTX and not have to bust a$$ on a heads-up car.


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From what i can tell from studying this for the last few weeks is it would be beneficial to do the allaluminum W8 package. I have a brand new block and access to some good heads. I already have all the other things from BS3 to the turbo. I will go ahead and purchase a new SE Challenger. Anyone need a new V6? Lol. Anyone know the best places to get the Dragpak specific glass and other light weight components? Anyone making carbon parts? Also which front suspension is better?


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