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Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: JohnRR] #1084562
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Well, thats true but Chrysler should have designed it this way in the first place. This part of the tranny is prone to leaking and taking off the tailshaft is a royal pain. Especially lying on your back with roughly two feet of working space. I know I could have tried the rtv silicone method but I chose not to go that route.

Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: moparjo68] #1084563
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The thing is; they were never intended to last 40 + years. The fact so mant did says the Chrysler engineers did a good job.


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Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: bboogieart] #1084564
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dont the tail shaft 'capture" the pin and hold it into the case from working its way out?

Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: scratchnfotraction] #1084565
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dont the tail shaft 'capture" the pin and hold it into the case from working its way out?




In his case it doesn't anymore ...

Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: JohnRR] #1084566
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I'll jump back in here and ask a couple stupid questions:

1) Do you have to pull transmission from the car to pull the tail-shaft?
2) If you did cut off that ear that holds the pin in, would the pin slide out so you could replace the O-ring?

If the answer to both the above is yes, then I could see the benefit to trimming the ear, and then adding a bracket to the bolt to hold the pin in.

Wouldn't this be an easy fix for us shade-tree mechanics would don't want to pull the whole tranny?

Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: BDW] #1084567
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Your questions aren't stupid and I'll post pics (as soon as today or this weekend) and show what I did and how I fixed it. I was VERY PLEASED with the results. Joe

Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: BDW] #1084568
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I'll jump back in here and ask a couple stupid questions:

1) Do you have to pull transmission from the car to pull the tail-shaft?
2) If you did cut off that ear that holds the pin in, would the pin slide out so you could replace the O-ring?

If the answer to both the above is yes, then I could see the benefit to trimming the ear, and then adding a bracket to the bolt to hold the pin in.

Wouldn't this be an easy fix for us shade-tree mechanics would don't want to pull the whole tranny?




1) No, you would not have to pull the transmission to remove tailshaft. You can also cut dog leg off w/o removing tailshaft. Metal is very easy to cut with hacksaw blade.

2) Yes, once the dog leg is removed, the pin will slide out far enough to remove old o ring and install new o ring. I would not slide pin out any farther than pan rail lip of tranny. I will post pics of what I substituted to hold pin in.

Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: moparjo68] #1084569
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I would not slide pin out any farther than pan rail lip of tranny.




This would be my concerne as the pin holds a lever in place and you might not get it back in. Then you are tearing it down.


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Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: moparjo68] #1084570
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WHY are you doing this YOURSELF ?

The so-called REBUILDER who did this should be the one changing this O-ring.

Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: moparjo68] #1084571
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You were sooooo right. It was coming from somewhere other than the pan gasket. It was seeping around the pivot pin. .....




Ooh Ooh, did I call it or what!
Glad you found it. Leaking cars suck especially on new concrete driveways!

Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: pishta] #1084572
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You were sooooo right. It was coming from somewhere other than the pan gasket. It was seeping around the pivot pin. .....




Ooh Ooh, did I call it or what!
Glad you found it. Leaking cars suck especially on new concrete driveways!




why yes you did! and yes it does!

Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: BDW] #1084573
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Does seem like you could add a piece to the bolt above the dog leg once you cut it off.

Post what you end up with.




Here is the pic of dog leg cut off from tailshaft. When I pushed out pin to replace o ring, I pushed it out past tranny pan rail lip. It would not push back......like there was a stop preventing it. So I removed pressure on pivot pin by backing off band adjustment nut. Then it pushed right back into place.

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Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: BDW] #1084574
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Does seem like you could add a piece to the bolt above the dog leg once you cut it off.

Post what you end up with.




Then I needed a rod of some sort..........very stiff so as not to give to hold back the pin. I found in my box of parts a brace.........maybe once used to brace a dash.

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Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: BDW] #1084575
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Does seem like you could add a piece to the bolt above the dog leg once you cut it off.

Post what you end up with.




I cut on the brace and tweeked it and bent it in a vice 'till I got it down to size.

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Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: BDW] #1084576
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Does seem like you could add a piece to the bolt above the dog leg once you cut it off.

Post what you end up with.




I bolted the brace to the auto tranny shifter brace (not sure if this is proper name) and the other end of brace is NOT pressed against pin. There is approx. 1/8 inch gap between end of brace and pin.

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Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: BDW] #1084577
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Does seem like you could add a piece to the bolt above the dog leg once you cut it off.

Post what you end up with. [/quote:

Another pic of the brace by pin

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Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: BDW] #1084578
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Does seem like you could add a piece to the bolt above the dog leg once you cut it off.

Post what you end up with.




With the 1/8th inch gap, pin can slide back and forth like original set up. When o ring starts leaking again, you don't have to remove tailshaft. Just remove pan and brace, you're done in a fraction of the time.

Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: moparjo68] #1084579
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nice work !

Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: moparjo68] #1084580
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Looks good, I was actually thinking you could make a Z-shaped piece out of flat stock, and use the bolt right above the section you cut off. I guess it might be hard to get a sharp enough bend in such a short distance.

I'm still confused on how you can replace the O-ring without removing the rod?

With the valve body removed, can you slide it all the way out?

Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: BDW] #1084581
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yes ... if you drop the pan and disassemble the low/reverse band linkage you can slide the pin out, if the tab is cut off the tailshaft housing.

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