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Re: New 512 stroker build, ZERO power!
[Re: 9secondsatellite]
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08/25/11 09:46 PM
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did you re-degree it after you advanced it to make sure it only went 2 more degrees? i wouldn't assume that it was right. why not just put it back at "0" where you new it was at 8 1/2 like stated earlier and run it like that? 
Hello, Yes, I did check a couple time to make sure I only went 2degs. If I am correct with my degree method and it is only 2 deg advanced from actual zero, straight dot to dot, I can't see that could possibly be causing my problem. I wouldn't think 2 deg one way or the other can cause this much problems. I have thought about moving it back to zero. I've also thought about getting another timing set and checking it against this one. Take care, Jeff
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Re: New 512 stroker build, ZERO power!
[Re: 1969RR]
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08/25/11 09:48 PM
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did you re-degree it after you advanced it to make sure it only went 2 more degrees? i wouldn't assume that it was right. why not just put it back at "0" where you new it was at 8 1/2 like stated earlier and run it like that?
Hello, Yes, I did check a couple time to make sure I only went 2degs. If I am correct with my degree method and it is only 2 deg advanced from actual zero, straight dot to dot, I can't see that could possibly be causing my problem. I wouldn't think 2 deg one way or the other can cause this much problems. I have thought about moving it back to zero. I've also thought about getting another timing set and checking it against this one. Take care, Jeff
Move it and check compression.. 
Chris.. 
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Re: New 512 stroker build, ZERO power!
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08/25/11 09:49 PM
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You still have to use the degree wheel properly zeroed. a solid lifter and your dial indicator to know where the cam is really fazed.
and those spark plugs are way too cold!
I tried another set, hotter, more of a race plug. Didn't help at all. Blacker than black after 20 mins of run time! For sure, not complete combustion. Jeff
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Re: New 512 stroker build, ZERO power!
[Re: BlownHemiCharger]
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08/25/11 09:50 PM
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I had the same issues with a 440 I slammed together. Turned out I installed the cam 180 out!! Check into it. I did exactly what you are talking about. Also this is simple but I will but it out there are you spark plug wire in the proper location!!!! Probably, but worth a look!!
all cams are 180 out every other revolution!!!!!
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Re: New 512 stroker build, ZERO power!
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08/25/11 09:58 PM
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You still have to use the degree wheel properly zeroed. a solid lifter and your dial indicator to know where the cam is really fazed.
and those spark plugs are way too cold!
I tried another set, hotter, more of a race plug. Didn't help at all. Blacker than black after 20 mins of run time! For sure, not complete combustion. Jeff
That should tell you something..
Is it oil, or fuel??
Chris..
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Re: New 512 stroker build, ZERO power!
[Re: Chris'sBarracuda]
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08/25/11 10:03 PM
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You still have to use the degree wheel properly zeroed. a solid lifter and your dial indicator to know where the cam is really fazed.
and those spark plugs are way too cold!
I tried another set, hotter, more of a race plug. Didn't help at all. Blacker than black after 20 mins of run time! For sure, not complete combustion. Jeff
That should tell you something..
Is it oil, or fuel??
Chris..
Chris, wet with fuel for sure. I know its telling me something, but what??? I've tried everything, at least twice. Jeff
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Re: New 512 stroker build, ZERO power!
[Re: 1969RR]
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08/25/11 10:06 PM
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Hello Everyone! Pulled front of engine apart this afternoon. I was hoping to find I had gears off. Well, according to my machine shop / engine builder, it is the way it should. I've attached a pix of the gears. We called Comp. The cam is a custom grind. They said on 7 1/2 CL. I kept comming up with about 8 1/2 so I advanced it 2 deg. You can see this on the gears. Now I'm kind of back to square one! We are gonna double ck this again tomorrow. I did double ck at TDC and I'm pointing at #1 on the dist. Firing order is correct. Checked 3 times with another set of eyes! I just can't see it being ignition related, because it ran the same with the Mopar ignition in it. Just very lazy, no power to get out of it's own way. Anyone ever heard of a cam doing this? Crank key wrong? I'm lost (again)! Take care, Jeff
Since you have the front cover of use a degree wheel
on it... dont believe those dots ... get a real reading
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Re: New 512 stroker build, ZERO power!
[Re: 1969RR]
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08/25/11 10:22 PM
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Hey guys, NO way to swap dist wires. Will only plug in one way. Tried that. I have tried different plugs, 3 times actually. I had that on a small block Chev I did. I guess it is possible the lifter preload is too tight. First time I adjusted them using the ICE-EOI method I went 1/4 turn past no lash. I spin the pushrod between my fingers, when I feel it getting tight, I went 1/4 turn. This was initial start. After that I called 440Source asking about the rattle noise I'm hearing. He suggested going another 1/2 turn, which I did. No difference. Timing gears look correct to you guys? Car has fresh 93 octain gas in it with a bottle of booster. Thanks! Jeff
all you want is the lash out(I've seen people use the turn the pushrod method and take preload out of the lifter then add their additional turning, best to jiggle the pushrod to no lash) and put an 1/8 to 1/4 turn. It will be noisy. Hopefully you haven't wrecked the valves against the pistons already with too much preload. Leak-down will show that.
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Re: New 512 stroker build, ZERO power!
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08/25/11 10:50 PM
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You still have to use the degree wheel properly zeroed. a solid lifter and your dial indicator to know where the cam is really fazed.
and those spark plugs are way too cold!
I tried another set, hotter, more of a race plug. Didn't help at all. Blacker than black after 20 mins of run time! For sure, not complete combustion. Jeff
That should tell you something..
Is it oil, or fuel??
Chris..
Chris, wet with fuel for sure. I know its telling me something, but what??? I've tried everything, at least twice. Jeff
This would lead me towards carbs or ignition..
Chris..
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Re: New 512 stroker build, ZERO power!
[Re: 1969RR]
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08/26/11 01:42 AM
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Hey guys, NO way to swap dist wires. Will only plug in one way. Tried that. I have tried different plugs, 3 times actually. I had that on a small block Chev I did. I guess it is possible the lifter preload is too tight. First time I adjusted them using the ICE-EOI method I went 1/4 turn past no lash. I spin the pushrod between my fingers, when I feel it getting tight, I went 1/4 turn. This was initial start. After that I called 440Source asking about the rattle noise I'm hearing. He suggested going another 1/2 turn, which I did. No difference. Timing gears look correct to you guys? Car has fresh 93 octain gas in it with a bottle of booster. Thanks! Jeff
I had to swap the purple/green wires. My 496 stroker did the same to me. You can simply cut and re-splice them, but if you are careful you can get them out of the plug and swap them like I did. I fought it to no end, thought the motor was going into valve float at 5500, horrible idle, bad kick-back, really down on power. It's DEFINITELY worth your time to try, and free too.
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Very hard to find those errors without degreeing the cam to start with 
) the same amount the intake is advanced or if both lobes are straight up if I'm installing the cam straight up 
I have had several SB cams that had the exhuast lobes ground on different lobes center than the intakes 
Intakes where ground on 106 LSA and exhaust where ground on 112 
They should have been in at 110 BTDC 
Please let us know what you find 
