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If I could figure out a way to get e-85 here I would build a very high compression 273 MPG motor for my 65 cuda and I am confidant I could get it over 30 MPG and run faster than the factory 274 4bbl motors did. I heard someone the otherday sy a Yugo was actually a good car, should I listen because someone else said it or do I trust my own experiance?

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E10 Ethanol (gasahol) was introduced here in Nebraska in the 80's & immed caused vapor lock/stalling at lights in alot of carbed vehicles. It did cause probs w hoses/carb internals but by now everyone has newer quality replacent parts in those areas that are alcohol resistant so no prob there & it does absorb water. It's listed as 89 octane & has always been a dime cheaper. "E85" I had thought about building an E85 high comp SB for mileage as it is avail here but the price has steadily risen which discouraged me. Dave I remem your 29 mpg machine that almost cracked the 30 mpg barrier & no one believed that you were getting that good mileage . I did not know that you could dump E85 in as is & run it as way back several people (here) had to have their tanks pumped out after trying it cause it was (at the time) way cheaper than regular. I rented a Yugo one time & I went around a corner fast and a side rear iirc window fell out from a minor bump & the next day the starter wouldn't crank

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Haven't raced with it but every thing else is just the same. I have run up to 85% ethanol (not in flex fuel cars)and the biggest differance is the exhaust smells way better.

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I used to live in an area that didn't have it...moved to an area that did.

What I noticed:
1) Fuel goes bad a lot faster...Use Sta-Bil if you don't drive much
2) Had to re-tune the carb a bit, especially the idle mixture screws and choke setting
3) Gas mileage is about 10-15% worse
4) The car floods very easily when shut off hot from fuel boil off.

The stuff is crap...it creates even more havoc with my vintage lawn equipment...within one year it made the 37 year old gas tank in my lawn mower fail at the seam.

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couldnt have said it better! ITS CRAP!

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I wonder if there is a DIFFERENCE in the octane level, between the "corn" type ethanol and the "sugar cane" type ethanol. Might be a bargaining issue for the U.S. if we decided to go with MORE of this "clean fuel" type technology in the racing world. Only problem is we don't produce
as much sugar cane in U.S. (save for Hawaii and "shared" provinces), compared to corn (grain).

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They grow cane sugar in Texas, Florida and Louisiana also. Ethanol can be made from lots of things. POET is building plants in Iowa and South Dakota that uses corn stover which is the non-food stuff that gets spit out of the combine, stalks, cobs etc. Industrial hemp would be the ultimate answer, it doesn't need cultivation, herbicides or pesticides and grows on marginal land. But that will never happen.

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I pulled a 96 stratus out of the woods the other day that had been sitting with 10% ethanol since 09 and the gas smelld new and the car started and ran perfect at the first touch of the key.

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Yeah I was a little worried about that (untreated ) E10 in my tank and my car had been sitting in the garage for 29 months. Old wives tales or urban myths?

Not sure how you got away with not jetting up or using bigger injectors for the E85, 30% is the general rule of thumb.

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... Anyway, it's subsidized. I don't expect others to help pay for my fuel.

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... Anyway, it's subsidized. I don't expect others to help pay for my fuel.

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Non ethanol gas is subsidized, so is food, so is the cotton in clothes, etc.... Bad line. At least the ethanol subsidizing stays in the farmers hands (whether you agree with that or not is another post).

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... Anyway, it's subsidized. I don't expect others to help pay for my fuel.

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Non ethanol gas is subsidized, so is food, so is the cotton in clothes, etc.... Bad line. At least the ethanol subsidizing stays in the farmers hands (whether you agree with that or not is another post).

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How is 'Non ethanol gas subsidized'???

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exactly...how is it?

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PROGRAM SUBSIDIES

Government support of US petroleum producers does not end with tax breaks. Program subsidies that support the extraction, production, and use of petroleum and petroleum fuel products total $38 to $114.6 billion each year. The largest portion of this total is federal, state, and local governments' $36 to $112 billion worth of spending on the transportation infrastructure, such as the construction, maintenance, and repair of roads and bridges. Other program subsidies include funding of research and development ($200 to $220 million), export financing subsidies ($308.5 to $311.9 million), support from the Army Corps of Engineers ($253.2 to $270 million), the Department of Interior's Oil Resources Management Programs ($97 to $227 million), and government expenditures on regulatory oversight, pollution cleanup, and liability costs ($1.1 to $1.6 billion).

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