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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: 540challenger]
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12/19/11 11:22 AM
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Well I just got back from my local dodge dealer. No sign yet for a 6.4L complete or long block yet. Nothing for just the block but he did find a short block for $2800 however showing none instock anywhere yet
not mine, just found it
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Dodge-Hemi-...ies&vxp=mtr
Wow that is a great price! But what the hell is wrong with Mopar a 500.00 core charge on a brand new engine. First the eagle head gets a core charge now this BS. I can understand the 6.1L stuff having a core but not the still in production stuff. First locking up the PCM's, Now core charges on brand new parts. Mother Mopar is sure making this hard to get into. 
Sorry for the rant
I share your grief. 
IMO something is not right. Why would you get a clutch with the engine if it is a crate engine?
Why doesn't he state the Part # ?
On a different note what is the best PCM to program?
I am hearing that the 2004 truck computer is the best one.
If it is , why?
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: MattW]
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12/19/11 12:44 PM
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Well I just got back from my local dodge dealer. No sign yet for a 6.4L complete or long block yet. Nothing for just the block but he did find a short block for $2800 however showing none instock anywhere yet
not mine, just found it
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Dodge-Hemi-...ies&vxp=mtr
Wow that is a great price! But what the hell is wrong with Mopar a 500.00 core charge on a brand new engine. First the eagle head gets a core charge now this BS. I can understand the 6.1L stuff having a core but not the still in production stuff. First locking up the PCM's, Now core charges on brand new parts. Mother Mopar is sure making this hard to get into.
Sorry for the rant
I share your grief.
IMO something is not right. Why would you get a clutch with the engine if it is a crate engine?
Why doesn't he state the Part # ?
On a different note what is the best PCM to program?
I am hearing that the 2004 truck computer is the best one.
If it is , why?
I spoke to Don with Arlington engines "spelling" According to him the tuner he is using runs the truck pcm he said 2006-2007 he sells the computer and the wiring for $2500.00 I would assume the older pcm would work also because of less security so the tuner can program it but it might be a different wiring harness to use. Arlington's harness is supposed to be a plug in for our muscle cars but I am not at that point yet to pull the trigger.
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: 540challenger]
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12/19/11 02:14 PM
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I think the 2004 is for the engine not having MDS  It will be nice if Mopar releases the 392 like the did for the 6.1 for around 6000.00. I would definately purchase one for that price. 470 hp 470 tq with all the smog stuff on  Set of headers lock out the cam and a program. I think 500 hp is easily obtained. Hell I would even concider the 2009 to present 5.7 it has 400 hp. I saw your post on the LX forum about the 392 hemi Part #. I believe the guy's name was modern muscle that has 392 production hemis for sale. I would to know why they are not giving out a part # and why are they replacing the intake manifold with the 6.1 aluminum one. Actually I know why, it is because its an active intake design. It uses duell runner lenghts that at low rpm 4800 and below the engine runs on shorter plenum runners. At 4800 there is a switch that open and it goes to the larger runners. They have no way of using this feature with the older computer. Should be a simple solution with an auxilary switch But the big issue that would leap MOPAR INTO THE 21 CENTURY IS RELEASE THE COMPUTER CODES.
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: MattW]
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12/19/11 03:06 PM
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I think the 2004 is for the engine not having MDS
It will be nice if Mopar releases the 392 like the did for the 6.1 for around 6000.00. I would definately purchase one for that price.
470 hp 470 tq with all the smog stuff on
Set of headers lock out the cam and a program. I think 500 hp is easily obtained.
Hell I would even concider the 2009 to present 5.7 it has 400 hp.
I saw your post on the LX forum about the 392 hemi Part #.
I believe the guy's name was modern muscle that has 392 production hemis for sale.
I would to know why they are not giving out a part # and why are they replacing the intake manifold with the 6.1 aluminum one.
Actually I know why, it is because its an active intake design. It uses duell runner lenghts that at low rpm 4800 and below the engine runs on shorter plenum runners. At 4800 there is a switch that open and it goes to the larger runners. They have no way of using this feature with the older computer. Should be a simple solution with an auxilary switch
But the big issue that would leap MOPAR INTO THE 21 CENTURY IS RELEASE THE COMPUTER CODES.
My guess he is not giving out the part# b/c he is the only game in town with the production engines or at lteast 3 of them. He must know someone on the inside to get that many. You can use the later pcm that has the MDS in them a tuner should be able to delete that funtion.
As for the 6.4L intake there was a post a while back on the lx forums. That runner's don't just switch postion from short to long long. They slwoly open according to rpms and the problem is, it depends on feedback from the transmission too.
The way i am going to go IF everything works out is.
6.4L long block manual trans version so no mds.
upgrade to cam COMP has a few coming out,
Lock out the VVT comp cams again.
Get the 07 5.7L yunkyard motor truck version. Use TIN and drive accs.
Make sure on the senors are the same or can be swap over to the 6.4L.
The is a guy on the lx forum making an new intake for the 6.1L that flow more then aposted 6.1 intake and takes all the 6.1 parts for $650.00
get the computer and harness from Arlington great guy to talk to on the phone by the way.
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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12/19/11 10:40 PM
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I think the 2004 is for the engine not having MDS
It will be nice if Mopar releases the 392 like the did for the 6.1 for around 6000.00. I would definately purchase one for that price.
470 hp 470 tq with all the smog stuff on
Set of headers lock out the cam and a program. I think 500 hp is easily obtained.
Hell I would even concider the 2009 to present 5.7 it has 400 hp.
I saw your post on the LX forum about the 392 hemi Part #.
I believe the guy's name was modern muscle that has 392 production hemis for sale.
I would to know why they are not giving out a part # and why are they replacing the intake manifold with the 6.1 aluminum one.
Actually I know why, it is because its an active intake design. It uses duell runner lenghts that at low rpm 4800 and below the engine runs on shorter plenum runners. At 4800 there is a switch that open and it goes to the larger runners. They have no way of using this feature with the older computer. Should be a simple solution with an auxilary switch
But the big issue that would leap MOPAR INTO THE 21 CENTURY IS RELEASE THE COMPUTER CODES.
.."Modern Muscle..." who, where, what, etc. Just wondering about this Modern Muscle name...???...saw a camshaft with that name on the box..?? 
Modern muscle is big on the 3rd Gen Hemi stuff from conversion to LX upgrades. He actually came out who the vvt cam phaser before comp cams did.
He also used to work for Arlington engines"shop hemi" Don from there said they are local to each other and Dave Weber was a very smart guy thats says alot when you competition says that about you.
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: 540challenger]
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12/20/11 12:30 PM
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I think the 2004 is for the engine not having MDS
It will be nice if Mopar releases the 392 like the did for the 6.1 for around 6000.00. I would definately purchase one for that price.
470 hp 470 tq with all the smog stuff on
Set of headers lock out the cam and a program. I think 500 hp is easily obtained.
Hell I would even concider the 2009 to present 5.7 it has 400 hp.
I saw your post on the LX forum about the 392 hemi Part #.
I believe the guy's name was modern muscle that has 392 production hemis for sale.
I would to know why they are not giving out a part # and why are they replacing the intake manifold with the 6.1 aluminum one.
Actually I know why, it is because its an active intake design. It uses duell runner lenghts that at low rpm 4800 and below the engine runs on shorter plenum runners. At 4800 there is a switch that open and it goes to the larger runners. They have no way of using this feature with the older computer. Should be a simple solution with an auxilary switch
But the big issue that would leap MOPAR INTO THE 21 CENTURY IS RELEASE THE COMPUTER CODES.
.."Modern Muscle..." who, where, what, etc. Just wondering about this Modern Muscle name...???...saw a camshaft with that name on the box..??
Modern muscle is big on the 3rd Gen Hemi stuff from conversion to LX upgrades. He actually came out who the vvt cam phaser before comp cams did.
He also used to work for Arlington engines"shop hemi" Don from there said they are local to each other and Dave Weber was a very smart guy thats says alot when you competition says that about you.
Is it the same Dave Weber who help Mopar design the R3 and also came out with a small block belt drive?
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: MattW]
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12/20/11 01:47 PM
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I think the 2004 is for the engine not having MDS
It will be nice if Mopar releases the 392 like the did for the 6.1 for around 6000.00. I would definately purchase one for that price.
470 hp 470 tq with all the smog stuff on
Set of headers lock out the cam and a program. I think 500 hp is easily obtained.
Hell I would even concider the 2009 to present 5.7 it has 400 hp.
I saw your post on the LX forum about the 392 hemi Part #.
I believe the guy's name was modern muscle that has 392 production hemis for sale.
I would to know why they are not giving out a part # and why are they replacing the intake manifold with the 6.1 aluminum one.
Actually I know why, it is because its an active intake design. It uses duell runner lenghts that at low rpm 4800 and below the engine runs on shorter plenum runners. At 4800 there is a switch that open and it goes to the larger runners. They have no way of using this feature with the older computer. Should be a simple solution with an auxilary switch
But the big issue that would leap MOPAR INTO THE 21 CENTURY IS RELEASE THE COMPUTER CODES.
.."Modern Muscle..." who, where, what, etc. Just wondering about this Modern Muscle name...???...saw a camshaft with that name on the box..??
Modern muscle is big on the 3rd Gen Hemi stuff from conversion to LX upgrades. He actually came out who the vvt cam phaser before comp cams did.
He also used to work for Arlington engines"shop hemi" Don from there said they are local to each other and Dave Weber was a very smart guy thats says alot when you competition says that about you.
Is it the same Dave Weber who help Mopar design the R3 and also came out with a small block belt drive?
No clue but IF it is the same guy it would explain how get got his hands on so many 6.4L production engines. hmmmmm 
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: 340RICK]
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12/20/11 08:54 PM
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yes its the same Dave Weber
and also the same Dave Weber from way back with the MOPAR Team of Ritter and Weber.
and another side note Dave is behind all of Mancinis Gen 3 HEMI stuff.
He has connections no doubt
And here I thought that Modern Muscle was a fly by night operation. 
This is a definite plus in my book that guy know his $hit.
Now I'm sure he has crate 392's for sale.
Rick hows your build coming? whos putting it together for you?
It is getting dry aroung here.
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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12/21/11 10:13 PM
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Does anyone sell the 4150 to stock throttle body elbow for these engines? I know XV sells a longer version. Looking for a 90 elbow though.
Thanks
Justin
Interested in having you car wired? Drag car, street car, EFI swap?
PM for details
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: 340RICK]
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12/21/11 11:16 PM
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Rick, I can't wait to see it run.....if my "Dad" will take me to the track. Rod
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Just putting this back up where I can find it quicker.... 
Did get some parts for my build today,,maybe make some headway in a few days. 
