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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: MattW]
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I will be talking to the Sheradon guys as well this weekend. Any more information I will post.
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: ZIPPY]
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Are all the G3 hemi head gaskets made the same and are they bigger for the 6.1 and 6.4?
all different part numbers and all different bores.
Is one better than the others or same make different sizes?
Thanks again
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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They're all mls, they're all good 
Thanks Zippy for comign through with more answer for us. I know your a busy man beat i remember once you mention about writing a book on the 3 gen Hemi's. If you or someone else got on out I think it would be a greater seller. There is a ton of information out there but no one has pieced it all together.
Chrylser changes parts like they change underware!
By the time Zippy gets the book done all the parts will be discontinued LOL
Zippy I think you should get a website going and charge to subcribe to it. I personally would become a member 
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: MattW]
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09/20/11 12:31 PM
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This a great thread, reminds me of some of the discussions back when I joined Moparts . I've been thinking about a gen 3 stroker for my Dart for a while. I'd like to make around 650 hp on pump gas. What year 6.1 engine should I look for? Would the 6.1 be a better base than a 5.7? Are you guys running stock lifters? Does anyone have a good proven (parts list) combo to work off of?
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: MattW]
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They're all mls, they're all good
Thanks Zippy for comign through with more answer for us. I know your a busy man beat i remember once you mention about writing a book on the 3 gen Hemi's. If you or someone else got on out I think it would be a greater seller. There is a ton of information out there but no one has pieced it all together.
Chrylser changes parts like they change underware!
By the time Zippy gets the book done all the parts will be discontinued LOL
Zippy I think you should get a website going and charge to subcribe to it. I personally would become a member
Not so much the parts numbers but parts interchange, aftermarket parts, computer systems, Now that website idea might be somthing doable easier to update hmmmmm
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: justinp61]
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09/20/11 06:23 PM
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This a great thread, reminds me of some of the discussions back when I joined Moparts .
I've been thinking about a gen 3 stroker for my Dart for a while. I'd like to make around 650 hp on pump gas.
What year 6.1 engine should I look for? Would the 6.1 be a better base than a 5.7? Are you guys running stock lifters? Does anyone have a good proven (parts list) combo to work off of?
 My Dart is begging me to put a 3rd gen HEMI in it.
Thank you to everyone who has been shareing all of this knowledge!!  
So what is the best way to go about it, with a 5.7 or start with a 6.1? 
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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This a great thread, reminds me of some of the discussions back when I joined Moparts .
I've been thinking about a gen 3 stroker for my Dart for a while. I'd like to make around 650 hp on pump gas.
What year 6.1 engine should I look for? Would the 6.1 be a better base than a 5.7? Are you guys running stock lifters? Does anyone have a good proven (parts list) combo to work off of?
My Dart is begging me to put a 3rd gen HEMI in it.
Thank you to everyone who has been shareing all of this knowledge!!
So what is the best way to go about it, with a 5.7 or start with a 6.1?
5.7 are more plentiful to find. 6.1 bigger bore.
Both will get the job done.
I am trying to find out if a production 6.4 crankshaft will fit in a 2003-2008 5.7 and 6.1 block.
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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talked to my freind in ny yesterday,said he was going to talk to chunker @ mancine, said things looked promising for him casting the drag pac intake,i ask how much he thought they cost he thouht about $500/$550, he also if he dose these will be able to use a 4500 carb as well,just a update i'll keep you posted on progress
I would take one.
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: MattW]
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09/21/11 09:21 AM
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It will be too late for me. If I pull the trigger on my deal its gonna start being put together before Christmas. Certainly there is some momentum starting in this market though.
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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Is the 5.7 cast crank and 6.1 forged? If yes, can the 6.1 drop right in to a 5.7? Also I hear that the eagle head bolted directly to a 04 5.7 will give you 12 to one compression, is it a dirrect bolt on or will pistons hit the head?
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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09/21/11 11:13 AM
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Is the 5.7 cast crank and 6.1 forged? If yes, can the 6.1 drop right in to a 5.7? Also I hear that the eagle head bolted directly to a 04 5.7 will give you 12 to one compression, is it a dirrect bolt on or will pistons hit the head? [/
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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09/21/11 11:27 AM
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Careful head gasket selection required, the piston does not hit the head but some adjustment of CR is possible
BTW I saw your other thread about intake manifolds, and chose to not reply for a variety of reasons...mostly the ranting.
Now that things have cooled off, in the interest of helping out:
Edelbrock already designed, engineered, prototyped, and dyno tested a very nice 1x4 dual plane manifold, way back in 2006. It's been done for years now.
I've seen the prototypes first hand, and they look awesome.
If anyone really wants it, call Edelbrock on a regular basis, tell them they need to pay for their own tooling instead of expecting someone else (guess who) to GIVE them tooling for free. 'just make the thing and sell it'.
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: MattW]
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09/21/11 11:44 AM
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talked to my freind in ny yesterday,said he was going to talk to chunker @ mancine, said things looked promising for him casting the drag pac intake,i ask how much he thought they cost he thouht about $500/$550, he also if he dose these will be able to use a 4500 carb as well,just a update i'll keep you posted on progress
I would take one.
Me too
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: MattW]
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This a great thread, reminds me of some of the discussions back when I joined Moparts .
I've been thinking about a gen 3 stroker for my Dart for a while. I'd like to make around 650 hp on pump gas.
What year 6.1 engine should I look for? Would the 6.1 be a better base than a 5.7? Are you guys running stock lifters? Does anyone have a good proven (parts list) combo to work off of?
My Dart is begging me to put a 3rd gen HEMI in it.
Thank you to everyone who has been shareing all of this knowledge!!
So what is the best way to go about it, with a 5.7 or start with a 6.1?
5.7 are more plentiful to find. 6.1 bigger bore.
Both will get the job done.
I am trying to find out if a production 6.4 crankshaft will fit in a 2003-2008 5.7 and 6.1 block.
Just got this from LX forum where I posted this question to the SRT Engineering people
The crank will physically fit..yes...however you'll crash valves without a reduction in valve lift. The Tone Rings have been changed...yes they are interchangeable...make sure you change your crank sensor too if you do that.
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